ScannerMan929
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Lately, I've noticed that the Greensboro FD has stopped using the 10-codes all together. does anyone know why?
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Yes, I know why.
In light of the WTC 9/11 incident their commincations plan includes using "plain english" in all communications to cut down misinterprations of tranmissions especially in situation of mutal aid.
High Point Fire Dept went to this system almost 12 years ago.
I work for GCEMS and wish they would go to it too.
The days of 10-codes' usefulness have come to an end. I mean why do we still use them? So scanner listeners won't know what is being talked about? Laughable.......they usually know the codes better than the public safety people using them.
In light of the WTC 9/11 incident their commincations plan includes using "plain english" in all communications to cut down misinterprations of tranmissions especially in situation of mutal aid.
High Point Fire Dept went to this system almost 12 years ago.
I work for GCEMS and wish they would go to it too.
The days of 10-codes' usefulness have come to an end. I mean why do we still use them? So scanner listeners won't know what is being talked about? Laughable.......they usually know the codes better than the public safety people using them.
thumbtrap
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I heard promise that GC was ditching them as of last summer. But I see (hear?) no signs of it whatsoever. I've always thought that it had more to do with people at the scene than people listening in. 10-51 pi, multiple ejections is mechanical enough that it doesn't subject junior in the back seat to additional trauma, telling him his dad is FTD. Nor does it tell someone on a routine stop that he matches the description of a car from a B&E 10 minutes ago. (We're not dealing with KGB operatives here, nor scanner listeners at large.) Sure, they could know these things, but it's kind of like pig latin I guess. (Ixnay ursslay dedinten) Even if you don't know it - you know enough to figure it out - but it's enough of a switch to break context.
I too wish they'd go to clear text. There's supposed to be a sheet in the clipboard on the fire trucks, but I've never seen it. I still have to ask people when I hear a new one.
I too wish they'd go to clear text. There's supposed to be a sheet in the clipboard on the fire trucks, but I've never seen it. I still have to ask people when I hear a new one.
thumbtrap
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BTW - does anybody have a list of the Guilford Fire 10 codes?
ScannerMan929
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They use the standard APCO 10-codes. Most commonly used:
10-4:Message Received
10-8: Engine Back in Service
10-24: Assignment Complete (Engine Back at Station)
10-50: Traffic Accident
PI
ersonal Injury
PDroperty Damage
Condition 10: Fire Extinguished or Situation Under Control (Equivalent to Signal 50)
10-4:Message Received
10-8: Engine Back in Service
10-24: Assignment Complete (Engine Back at Station)
10-50: Traffic Accident
PI
ersonal InjuryPD
roperty DamageCondition 10: Fire Extinguished or Situation Under Control (Equivalent to Signal 50)
thumbtrap
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One subtle difference between signal 50 and condition 10. Signal 50 means that the situation is under control, as in no further assistance needed. Buildings can still be burning with a signal 50. Condition 10, means that the call is being ended, we're packing up and going home.
10-22 is cancel, 10-7 is out of service, and 10-8 is back in service. But dispatch recently cancelled us on one of our regular false alarms - and told us that we were 10-8, instead of 10-22'ing us. I heard it and said huh? But nobody else thought it odd. (I think more properly, 10-22 is a command, and 10-7,10-8 are indications of status.)
It is helpful to know who's standard it is. There are a bazillion different lists of 10 codes out there. I've found one list that so far has matched up pretty well, but it appears to be mostly police oriented - ie has a lot of stuff we'd never use and lacks some things we need. EMS has their own codes and signals, as does the sheriff's dept.
10-22 is cancel, 10-7 is out of service, and 10-8 is back in service. But dispatch recently cancelled us on one of our regular false alarms - and told us that we were 10-8, instead of 10-22'ing us. I heard it and said huh? But nobody else thought it odd. (I think more properly, 10-22 is a command, and 10-7,10-8 are indications of status.)
It is helpful to know who's standard it is. There are a bazillion different lists of 10 codes out there. I've found one list that so far has matched up pretty well, but it appears to be mostly police oriented - ie has a lot of stuff we'd never use and lacks some things we need. EMS has their own codes and signals, as does the sheriff's dept.
New Guilford County 10-Codes
Guilford County is going to start using a new set of radio codes effective 9-1-2004.
Guilford County is in the process of combining all communications centers in the county (EMS, Sheriff, Greensboro City Police and Fire, Guilford County Fire) into one organization (except High Point City communications; still refuses to join in). It will be refered to as the "Guilford/Metro Communcations Center".
In order make communications streamline they have develped a radio code system for all departments in the system (except High Point City of course) the new list is attached (in Excel format).
Hope it is of some use to everyone.
Guilford County is going to start using a new set of radio codes effective 9-1-2004.
Guilford County is in the process of combining all communications centers in the county (EMS, Sheriff, Greensboro City Police and Fire, Guilford County Fire) into one organization (except High Point City communications; still refuses to join in). It will be refered to as the "Guilford/Metro Communcations Center".
In order make communications streamline they have develped a radio code system for all departments in the system (except High Point City of course) the new list is attached (in Excel format).
Hope it is of some use to everyone.
thumbtrap
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I take it EMS going to continue to use their own 29Bravo4 style codes? (And while they're passing out standards, could we get everybody to use the internation phonetic alphabet? I swear I've heard guys who probably wouldn't use the same phonetic twice from word to word.)
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Thanks for the information.
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Thanks for the information.
The "29-Bravo-4" style codes your refer to for EMS are not of their (Guilford County's) own design. The are the dispatch codes for Natioanlly Certified EMD (Emergency Medical Dispatch) centers. I am told that they are requierd to use them to be a "certified" system. Davidson County is migrating to this type of dispatch and Randolph already uses it.
The first number is the type of call, the "Bravo" is the level of tiered response and the 4 is additional information(determinants). Most of the details of the call now appear on the MCT's in the unit.
In this case, 29-Bravo-4 translates to:
29 => Motor Vehicle accident with injuries
Bravo=> send ambulance only (inside city limits, fire and ambulance in county)
4=> Serious Hemorrhage
Hey, I didn't make this up. Anyway I will try to post a list. I have to either scan it or convert it to Excel....all I have is a hard copy.
As far as the problem with the phonetic alphabet.....I cannot comment. I don't know what you are referring to.
The first number is the type of call, the "Bravo" is the level of tiered response and the 4 is additional information(determinants). Most of the details of the call now appear on the MCT's in the unit.
In this case, 29-Bravo-4 translates to:
29 => Motor Vehicle accident with injuries
Bravo=> send ambulance only (inside city limits, fire and ambulance in county)
4=> Serious Hemorrhage
Hey, I didn't make this up. Anyway I will try to post a list. I have to either scan it or convert it to Excel....all I have is a hard copy.
As far as the problem with the phonetic alphabet.....I cannot comment. I don't know what you are referring to.
thumbtrap
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I hear it most frequently with the deputies running license plates. But whenever dispatch gives addresses with letters in it, they do it as well. 1349 B as in Boy, Hocalugi St at the Pit of Despair Mobile home park. The next time someone will say Baker instead of Boy. I have only heard one person using the international phonetic alphabet in 2 or 3 weeks. (And for him, I must say ... Bravo! )
I didn't mean to imply that Guilford EMS had made up their own codes. The standard 10-codes are basically dispatch oriented, and as such - are woefully inadequate for describing medical situations. It's enough to get the trucks rolling, and the right type of trucks, and that's about it. Nor do the deputies need to be burdened with codes for allergic reaction to penicillin.
Curiously enough - I heard a 10 code on a greensboro fire channel today.
)I didn't mean to imply that Guilford EMS had made up their own codes. The standard 10-codes are basically dispatch oriented, and as such - are woefully inadequate for describing medical situations. It's enough to get the trucks rolling, and the right type of trucks, and that's about it. Nor do the deputies need to be burdened with codes for allergic reaction to penicillin.
Curiously enough - I heard a 10 code on a greensboro fire channel today.
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Hey there! It took me a LONG time to find this place, and I am wondering if there is anyone here who might be able to program (that is "set the stations" to monitor) 2 scanners for me. One is my own, a uniden handheld one, and one is my 87-year-old mother's, RadioShack Trunktracker. I *thought* the hand-held one was set, but I never get anything on it other than static, so I'm thinking I don't have the right numbers programmed. My mother's was programmed for Murrell's INlet, SC, but she has moved here, and now, of course, it doesn't get anything. I'm wondering if I might find someone who would be willing to put in all the right numbers for us (fire, police, etc), so that all we lazy girls have to do, is listen, LOL. If you might be willing to do this, please "e" me at Stamperhog at AOL dot com, and I will be glad to bring the scanners to you.
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Onslow County EMS also uses the EMD codes, fire is plain text, and Sheriff and PD use DCI codes. BTW gotta love the 29D4F heh?
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