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Despite the fact there are 11 TV and 4 FM stations using the tower plus a few communications facilities at lower levels putting out lots of RF I rather think those cloud effects are the result of winds over the mountains in the SF area. The second photo posted above makes it clear, signal going straight up is wasted signal, antennas located at altitude have a downward tilt to fill in dead spots, they're not cloud burners.

Here's one showing close up those other antennas I mentioned.
 
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The book "Angels Don't Play This Harp" ( forgot the Author's name) is interesting kinda fun reading,
Probably written about 12 or so yrs ago about HAARP. Conspiracy stuff.
Ridgescan..thanx for the neat screensavers!!!
 

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The book "Angels Don't Play This Harp" ( forgot the Author's name) is interesting kinda fun reading,
Probably written about 12 or so yrs ago about HAARP. Conspiracy stuff.
Ridgescan..thanx for the neat screensavers!!!
Hey there ya go C-they are kinda pretty no? If ya want more or maybe closer ones I'll take a ride up there-been there and it is just phenomenal. Warren-there ya go again-please tell me what I'm supposed to do with this now??
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I spent extra time on it too:(


:D you are right I am sure but it sure looks like something's happening-especially those two ripply lines of moisture in a straight line through the center of that clear spot.
 

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haha ridge thats awesome! I hope thats the heavy duty aluminum foil because the reg stuff doesn't work:)
 

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Some of you actually think the government is going to do good with such a weapon!? Are you kidding me? Why are they so secretive and whatnot? The government doesnt like conspiracy theorists, because more then likely they are right on the money on whats going on!
 

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"Warren-there ya go again-please tell me what I'm supposed to do with this now??"

Take it off the radio and put it on your head where it belongs.

"The government doesn't like conspiracy theorists, because more then likely they are right on the money on whats going on!"

Yeah right. Frankly I get a laugh out of Jesse Ventura, great comedic entertainment. Have you noticed he's Alex Jones' TV mouthpiece? Since Infowars on the internet got a TV outlet now I have TWO clowns to laugh at!
 

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"Warren-there ya go again-please tell me what I'm supposed to do with this now??"

Take it off the radio and put it on your head where it belongs.

"The government doesn't like conspiracy theorists, because more then likely they are right on the money on whats going on!"

Yeah right. Frankly I get a laugh out of Jesse Ventura, great comedic entertainment. Have you noticed he's Alex Jones' TV mouthpiece? Since Infowars on the internet got a TV outlet now I have TWO clowns to laugh at!

Well when the police state gets more in your face and finally affects YOU get back to me. By that time it will be too late!
 

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Some of you actually think the government is going to do good with such a weapon!? Are you kidding me? Why are they so secretive and whatnot? The government doesnt like conspiracy theorists, because more then likely they are right on the money on whats going on!

There is nothing secretive about it at all. First of all its not a "weapon" it is a research tool. Second it is doing good because from it we are learning more about propagation. last the government doesn't like conspiracy theorists because most of them are extremist nuts or new age liberal loons who don't have a clue about technology.
 

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There is nothing secretive about it at all. First of all its not a "weapon" it is a research tool. Second it is doing good because from it we are learning more about propagation. last the government doesn't like conspiracy theorists because most of them are extremist nuts or new age liberal loons who don't have a clue about technology.


How can YOU guarantee they aren't using it as a weapon? Whats with all the nasty disasters all over the world? Just coincidence?
Have you noticed the constitutional rights and bill of rights is being shredded?
Lastly, conspiracy theorists are more then likely right on the money if it bothers
them to want to out right ban it and get rid of that pesky first amendment.
 
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Bigger QUESTION lurks here....

Until the government can come clean and admit wrong doing, no nothing will change my mind until then.

How do WE know that you are not a "plant" an agent for the "otherside". You know one who is put here strictly for the sole purpose to create a climate of distrust? FEAR!! Confusion! PROPAGANDA generator.....HMMM. I really WONDER?????
The Commies or possibly TALIBAN will plant an agent to create distrust and create rumors and innuendo! CONFUSION! FEAR!!! These types would WANT you to believe that these facts they possess are REAL! While creating an atmosphere of distrust....Hmmmm. A LOT of these conspiracy creatures who claim they have all this proof, this smoking gun proof and they and ONLY THEY have, Hhmmmm... Are you really a "PLANT"??? I don't know....OR did they GET to YOU???? brainwashed??? yikes!
BUT,
I think that,with all real evidence you claim you have there, you should contact the FBI, CIA, NSA and all the rest and show them about this "secret underground" aspect of the government that you and YOU alone have the conclusive proof of! A secret element of the government that THEY do not know about!! Be a hero, burst there bubble...EXPOSE IT!!.You have all these facts and knowledge, you say so....Bust it OPEN!!! be a hero!!!! Toss your Tin Foil beanie aside, be brave EXPOSE the evil doers!!!! Yeah, be the man!!!! I can get you phone #'s to call....:roll:
wink, wink, nod, nod.....
 

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How do WE know that you are not a "plant" an agent for the "otherside". You know one who is put here strictly for the sole purpose to create a climate of distrust? FEAR!! Confusion! PROPAGANDA generator.....HMMM. I really WONDER?????
The Commies or possibly TALIBAN will plant an agent to create distrust and create rumors and innuendo! CONFUSION! FEAR!!! These types would WANT you to believe that these facts they possess are REAL! While creating an atmosphere of distrust....Hmmmm. A LOT of these conspiracy creatures who claim they have all this proof, this smoking gun proof and they and ONLY THEY have, Hhmmmm... Are you really a "PLANT"??? I don't know....OR did they GET to YOU???? brainwashed??? yikes!
BUT,
I think that,with all real evidence you claim you have there, you should contact the FBI, CIA, NSA and all the rest and show them about this "secret underground" aspect of the government that you and YOU alone have the conclusive proof of! A secret element of the government that THEY do not know about!! Be a hero, burst there bubble...EXPOSE IT!!.You have all these facts and knowledge, you say so....Bust it OPEN!!! be a hero!!!! Toss your Tin Foil beanie aside, be brave EXPOSE the evil doers!!!! Yeah, be the man!!!! I can get you phone #'s to call....:roll:
wink, wink, nod, nod.....

Take a read of my post #29 and that should clear it up for ya. Since your post seems to have some comedy to it, I will let you off this time.
 

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NO comedy intended...FACT...sorry

Take a read of my post #29 and that should clear it up for ya. Since your post seems to have some comedy to it, I will let you off this time.

There is SCIENCE FACT and then there's SCIENCE FICTION.... THE FACTS!

Here are some HIGHLY credible links to get the HAARP facts for those who desire FACTS.

HAARP Home Page

High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Anecdotal info:
Established factual knowledge NOT speculation!


The critics' views have been rejected by HAARP's defenders, who have pointed out that the amount of energy at the project's disposal is minuscule compared to the colossal energies dumped into the atmosphere by solar radiation and thunderstorms.


A University of Alaska, Geophysical Institute scientist has compared HAARP to an "immersion heater in the Yukon River." ( device you use to HEAT a cup of water for tea)



It would also be unable to effect any long-lasting changes; as the ionosphere is inherently a chaotically turbulent region, any artificially induced changes would be "swept clean" within seconds or minutes at the most.


Ionospheric heating experiments performed at the ( Puerto Rico Radio Telescope), Arecibo Observatory's ionospheric heater and incoherent scatter radar have shown that no matter how long the ionosphere is modified, it returns to normal within the same period of time.


Ionospheric heating cannot be performed while the sun illuminates the ionosphere for two reasons:Solar UV creates the ionospheric D-region, which absorbs the radio waves used for ionospheric heating.


The solar flux overwhelms any effect of ionospheric heating. (needs to be verified John Elder 01:50, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC))


HAARP's supporters also point to the lack of serious scientific evidence to support some of the more exotic claims being made about HAARP, such as the conjecture that the system caused the 2003 North America blackout or earthquakes.


Most scientists reject the extreme criticism of HAARP as "utter nonsense," especially astronomers and space-physicists who have a solid understanding of the accusations leveled at HAARP.


Books, such as Angel's don't Play this HAARP, are often circulated and ridiculed in private.



The scientific community puts forth little or no effort to defend HAARP, because they perceive those who attack HAARP as lacking sufficient understanding of science to criticize HAARP competently.

These are the facts..... I neither need to or want to further comment on this subject as the real facts speak for themselves...Probably would be in the best interest of the moderator to lock down this topic as to end any further waste of server space on a non issue topic. Sorry I got carried away, but I believe in real facts and science.
 
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How can YOU guarantee they aren't using it as a weapon?

The first question that comes to mind is how can you guarantee that marshmallows are not being made so that they can be used as weapons?

In order for it to be used as a weapon there would have to be some way for it to be used as a weapon. The physics are fairly simple in this case, HAARP does not have enough power and does not operate for enough hours in the day to have any lasting or noticeably long-term affect on any of the factors some people claim it can. Sure it is big, sure it is powerful, but it cannot compare to the energy levels the Sun is depositing in the same region of the sky. It is rather like spitting in the ocean.

Whats with all the nasty disasters all over the world? Just coincidence?

All what nasty disasters in the World? I cannot recall anything happening since HAARP was completed that did not happen before. And what is happening cannot be proven to be any more frequent since HAARP became active. However, events are better documented today.

Today, because of the media, the average person is more aware of disasters than ever before. How can you not be, when something even remotely shocking happens the media rubs it in your face for as long as they can milk it.

It does not help that the World is so much more crowded today then it ever has been in the past, a good example is the Indian Ocean Tsunami in 2004. It killed over 150,000 people, but 100 years ago there would not have been that many people in all of the regions it affected so it would have been impossible to kill more than a fraction of that many. And in fact many very large Tsunamis went totally unreported until the last 80 years or so, not that they did not happen, but rather there was no way for the rest of the World to know that they had happened.

And I might add, that while some conspiracy theorist blame the 2010 Haiti Tsunami on HAARP they ignore the fact that such things have happened for all of time. And in fact the worst Tsunami in recorded history, the 2004 event I mentioned above, occurred before HAARP was complete. At the time of that event the partial HAARP installation had an ERP that was smaller than some short wave broadcasters. The expansion to the power level it has now started in 2003 and did not complete until 2007.

HAARP is sometimes blamed for the Chinese quake of 2008 that killed 10’s of thousands, the most supported number is 69,200 deaths. People conveniently forget that the worst earthquake in history also happened in China, in 1556, killing an estimated 830,000 people, more than 10 times the number lost in the 2008 quake even though the total Chinese population was a fraction of the 2008 population. I suppose HAARP was to blame for that one also. How about the 1976 Tangshan earthquake, more than 240,000 Chinese lives lost, and 20 years before HAARP first made RF. I remember 1976, I remember that quake, I remember it got maybe a couple of days of coverage in the news. Today such an event would be non-stop 24/7 on the news for weeks, and forced into everyone’s memory.

China, like many areas of the World, has a long history of very deadly earthquakes, and they will continue in the future, and HAARP will have nothing to do with them, just as it has had nothing to do with the documented past events.

Have you noticed the constitutional rights and bill of rights is being shredded?
Lastly, conspiracy theorists are more then likely right on the money if it bothers
them to want to out right ban it and get rid of that pesky first amendment.

You will not get an argument form me on the fact that people seem to be trampling on the bill of rights in many ways, but now that also is HAARPs fault?

People are trying to get rid of the First Amendment so that you cannot talk about HAARP? Is that really what you are saying?

So much is known about HAARP that it is not even funny. The exact performance specifications are known. Pictures are readily found allowing the knowledgable to further understand its capabilities. The area is not even secure for all practical purposes. Anyone with the proper background can determine what HAARP is capable of. And it really is not scary. But, since most people are often uneducated in the field or partially informed they make a monster out of a dark closet.

There are a LOT of projects out there that you cannot discuss or that have withheld major pieces of information. Rightfully so I might add. We have to have secrets to maintain the safety of the nation. You simply cannot “let your people know” without letting the World know. But HAARP is simply not one of them, you can essentially find out anything you want about it.

T!
 

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I think this whole discussion boils down to one thing:
Who really cares? It's not like it is effecting your day to day life. If it's bad, it's bad. If it's good, it's good. There's nothing anyone can do about it.
 
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