Handheld radios on Holland America Cruise

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Does anyone have direct experience carryng a handheld two way radio or scanner on board Holland America Cruise Lines. Last year we were on a Viking Cruise and I had no trouble at all taking 3 radios. VHF Marine, VHF airband and a scanner radio.

We tend to do excursions that take us out of cell phone range. Part if my first aid/safety kit that I take hiking in remote areas includes a marine handheld and an aviation handheld. In Alaska, the FCC rules are sort of overlooked due to it being a wild frontier. VHF marine is commonly used inland between villages. Wilderness guides carry and recommend having VHF airband handheld transceivers.

Has anyone encountered issues with Holland America boarding or disembarking for excursions carrying any radios?
 

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welcome to the forum, I'm afraid this topic has been beaten to death (and the answer lay withing the search) , If you have done it before I see no reason why not, you can search in this forum as others have deep dived into Holland's web site of the list of prohibited items , there is a few that dont allow, generally they do . i ensure i cruise on a boat that allows
 

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Does anyone have direct experience carryng a handheld two way radio or scanner on board Holland America Cruise Lines. Last year we were on a Viking Cruise and I had no trouble at all taking 3 radios. VHF Marine, VHF airband and a scanner radio.

We tend to do excursions that take us out of cell phone range. Part if my first aid/safety kit that I take hiking in remote areas includes a marine handheld and an aviation handheld. In Alaska, the FCC rules are sort of overlooked due to it being a wild frontier. VHF marine is commonly used inland between villages. Wilderness guides carry and recommend having VHF airband handheld transceivers.

Has anyone encountered issues with Holland America boarding or disembarking for excursions carrying any radios?
as in other threads, YMMV - I would call them and get a Supervisor and have it in writing to put right next-to the device when being carried on/off the ship.

and specifically listed are :
  • Communication Devices including Emergency Position Indicating Radio Beacons (EPIRB) ham radios, communication scanners, wide-band receivers, satellite phones, personal satellite dish/receivers, routers, and transformers.
 

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I did read Holland America's policy. Viking had a policy too, but more leanient. It did not address scanners or 2 way radios, just Ham radios. When we boarded and disembarked at every port all our items went through xray. None of my radios were ever flagged. I did not take any ham gear. Just the marine, aviation for backup to cellular in emergencies and a scanner.

If someone has direct experience with Holland America, I would be interested to know how it worked oit for them.
 

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I did read Holland America's policy. Viking had a policy too, but more leanient. It did not address scanners or 2 way radios, just Ham radios. When we boarded and disembarked at every port all our items went through xray. None of my radios were ever flagged. I did not take any ham gear. Just the marine, aviation for backup to cellular in emergencies and a scanner.

If someone has direct experience with Holland America, I would be interested to know how it worked oit for them.
Yes, and the Amateur (ham) radio exists from the HF days, hanging wire antenna's off the Balcony and is/was not designed around a hand-held VHF/UHF, but get's lumped into the mess. Even now Extension Cords and Power Outlets are banned, yet the ship will provide an extension cord for CPAP etc, if the power is across the room (now a trip hazard)

My last cruise on RCCL the bedside power was 220 and the 120 was across the room on the vanity.
 

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Yes, and the Amateur (ham) radio exists from the HF days, hanging wire antenna's off the Balcony and is/was not designed around a hand-held VHF/UHF, but get's lumped into the mess. Even now Extension Cords and Power Outlets are banned, yet the ship will provide an extension cord for CPAP etc, if the power is across the room (now a trip hazard)

My last cruise on RCCL the bedside power was 220 and the 120 was across the room on the vanity.
The worst thing that would happen from what I have found in other posts is they take it and return it at the end of the cruise. The radios stay in my safety/first aid back pack. Viking and RCCL has a similar policy and they didnt care when I was on either of those. This will be our first Holland America cruise.

Last Alaska Cruise we did an excursion hike through bear country in sketchy cell service. The two guides had guns and bear spray, but no radios.
 

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The worst thing that would happen from what I have found in other posts is they take it and return it at the end of the cruise. The radios stay in my safety/first aid back pack. Viking and RCCL has a similar policy and they didnt care when I was on either of those. This will be our first Holland America cruise.

Last Alaska Cruise we did an excursion hike through bear country in sketchy cell service. The two guides had guns and bear spray, but no radios.
Yup have had that happen, confiscate and returned (atleast we returned to the same port) at the end, but that was Celebrity
 

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Yup have had that happen, confiscate and returned (atleast we returned to the same port) at the end, but that was Celebrity
Did you have yours in a carry on bag? Where was it detected? The cruise port security doesnt care. It isnt a prohibited security item.

Ours is also a roundtrip cruise oit of Seattle.
 

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Did you have yours in a carry on bag? Where was it detected? The cruise port security doesnt care. It isnt a prohibited security item.

Ours is also a roundtrip cruise oit of Seattle.
Backpack with my Camera equipment and caught at Port Security (faux TSA style bag screeners) YMMV depending on the port.

Oddly that same cruise, one of our bags was flagged by Ship Security, had to go down to the holding area, and give them permission to open it. Seems the hand sanitizer bottle looked too much like Alcohol :) No problem.

However the lady ahead of me, could not understand why here entire set of grilling implements (fork etc) was being held until the end of the Cruise.
 

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Thats weird. Port security isn't ship security.
Backpack with my Camera equipment and caught at Port Security (faux TSA style bag screeners) YMMV depending on the port.

Oddly that same cruise, one of our bags was flagged by Ship Security, had to go down to the holding area, and give them permission to open it. Seems the hand sanitizer bottle looked too much like Alcohol :) No problem.

However the lady ahead of me, could not understand why here entire set of grilling implements (fork etc) was being held until the end of the Cruise.
That's weird. Port security isn't ship security.
Now the grilling implements obviously makes sense. Duh! Crazy lady.

Not sure what I will do. Maybe just take the VHF marine handheld. Not sure if the MROP license will put their minds at ease. I was thinking of asking first. Well, I have time to study this. Almost 15 months.
 

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I wonder if the Home Patrol radios would be overlooked during screening, provided no antenna were attached or stored near it.
 

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I was on the Zuiderdam this past December and took with me a Uniden BCD325P2, Qodosen SR-286, laptop with RTL-SDR stick and a pair of Motorola DLR1060s. The Uniden came off the ship with me while at various ports of call with no issues upon return to the ship. One time, I put the Uniden on a tray with my cell phone since I didn't take my backpack with me. No one ever said anything to me.

I have been on 13 different cruises on Carnival (1), Celebrity (2), Holland America (1), Norwegian (1), Princess (6) and Royal Caribbean (2). Out of all those cruises, I only got flagged once by security at San Pedro who then had me show my GRE PSR-500 to the onboard security on the Sapphire Princess who let me on board without a second glance. I later heard him identified as "seaco" on the scanner.

On some cruises, I have taken a Kenwood TH-F6A or a BFDX CS-580 without issue. I have also taken Motorola DTR650s and DTR700s on cruises as well.

Bernard, K6KBL/WRQD400
 

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I was on the Zuiderdam this past December and took with me a Uniden BCD325P2, Qodosen SR-286, laptop with RTL-SDR stick and a pair of Motorola DLR1060s. The Uniden came off the ship with me while at various ports of call with no issues upon return to the ship. One time, I put the Uniden on a tray with my cell phone since I didn't take my backpack with me. No one ever said anything to me.

I have been on 13 different cruises on Carnival (1), Celebrity (2), Holland America (1), Norwegian (1), Princess (6) and Royal Caribbean (2). Out of all those cruises, I only got flagged once by security at San Pedro who then had me show my GRE PSR-500 to the onboard security on the Sapphire Princess who let me on board without a second glance. I later heard him identified as "seaco" on the scanner.

On some cruises, I have taken a Kenwood TH-F6A or a BFDX CS-580 without issue. I have also taken Motorola DTR650s and DTR700s on cruises as well.

Bernard, K6KBL/WRQD400
As many of us have stated over the many year in the Maritime monitoring hobby, YMMV as to what makes it on-board
 

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We tend to do excursions that take us out of cell phone range. Part if my first aid/safety kit that I take hiking in remote areas includes a marine handheld and an aviation handheld. In Alaska, the FCC rules are sort of overlooked due to it being a wild frontier. VHF marine is commonly used inland between villages. Wilderness guides carry and recommend having VHF airband handheld transceivers.
Acouple of points:
1. While it’s true that some folks in the Alaska bush commonly use marine VHF, it is illegal. Mostly a matter of if no one complains the FCC doesn’t have the staff or resources to go after them.
2. In the past guides and other wilderness travelers sometimes carried air band radios for emergencies, however that’s not the case anymore since InReach and other satellite communications options became available. If emergency comms is what you need, an InReach is a much better solution!
 

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I was on the Zuiderdam this past December and took with me a Uniden BCD325P2, Qodosen SR-286, laptop with RTL-SDR stick and a pair of Motorola DLR1060s. The Uniden came off the ship with me while at various ports of call with no issues upon return to the ship. One time, I put the Uniden on a tray with my cell phone since I didn't take my backpack with me. No one ever said anything to me.

I have been on 13 different cruises on Carnival (1), Celebrity (2), Holland America (1), Norwegian (1), Princess (6) and Royal Caribbean (2). Out of all those cruises, I only got flagged once by security at San Pedro who then had me show my GRE PSR-500 to the onboard security on the Sapphire Princess who let me on board without a second glance. I later heard him identified as "seaco" on the scanner.

On some cruises, I have taken a Kenwood TH-F6A or a BFDX CS-580 without issue. I have also taken Motorola DTR650s and DTR700s on cruises as well.

Bernard, K6KBL/WRQD400
Thanks for the summary of your experience. Sounds like there isn't much interest by security in identifying anything other than dangerous items and alcohol.

I like to carry emergency communications, and my own first aid backpack when we hike the wilderness. Military combat comm medical training is still stuck in my mind. I am very uncomfortable without a good first aid kit.

On our last trip, we hiked through brown bear country at Icy Strait Point and while the guides had guns and bear spray, they did not have much first aid equipment and no radios. Our excursions involve hiking and seeing nature. I have a very small Standard Horizon HX40 VHF marine. Very impressive 6 watt handheld for the size. Also a Yaesu FTA-250 Air Band transceiver. I did not carry any of my ham radio gear.

When we sailed on Viking last year, I took those two radios and a BCD325P2. Viking Prohibited items only lists "Ham Radios". No other type of radio. No one questioned anything I took. Holland America lists every kind of radio as prohibited.

Monitoring, I mostly listened to VHF marine. Port traffic was interesting. Heard our ship announce intentions on channel 13 going in and out of the fjords.

I didn't hear much from the bush pilots. But they were there!

I was not in range to hear much USCG traffic. But we are going to Kodiak this time, the Aleutians and the Bering strait. Up to the Arctic Circle and past the Diomede islands where you actually can see Russia from Alaska. Little Diomede AK is about 2.4 miles from Big Diomede Russia. There is a small village on Little Diomede. I have not confirmed this, but I assume we will see the Diomede islands as we go by them. Weather permitting. Weather can be very overcast and foggy in Alaska. We had clear skies almost our entire trip last year.


I have read you can also see Russia from St Lawrence Island AK which is far west of Kodiak and the Aleutians.
 
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Acouple of points:
1. While it’s true that some folks in the Alaska bush commonly use marine VHF, it is illegal. Mostly a matter of if no one complains the FCC doesn’t have the staff or resources to go after them.
2. In the past guides and other wilderness travelers sometimes carried air band radios for emergencies, however that’s not the case anymore since InReach and other satellite communications options became available. If emergency comms is what you need, an InReach is a much better solution!

Wilderness guides are still recommending airband transceivers from what I have read recently, apparently to have direct contact with search and rescue which often are the bush pilots. I am going to find an opportunity to discuss this one directly on our next trip.

Apparently the legality of VHF marine use inland is overlooked. There are many remote villages that use VHF marine, which was discussed during a talk on one of our excursions.
 

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Wilderness guides are still recommending airband transceivers from what I have read recently, apparently to have direct contact with search and rescue which often are the bush pilots. I am going to find an opportunity to discuss this one directly on our next trip.

Apparently the legality of VHF marine use inland is overlooked. There are many remote villages that use VHF marine, which was discussed during a talk on one of our excursions.
Sounds like the same groups, I've seen posting how to add USFS/NPS Analog channels/repeaters to their CCR's for when they get lost in in the wilderness.
 

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Sounds like the same groups, I've seen posting how to add USFS/NPS Analog channels/repeaters to their CCR's for when they get lost in in the wilderness.
I don’t wish to hijack this thread but this is worth expanding on. I’ve lived in AK for 40 years, and have been active in the volunteer SAR community for around 30 years. (I’m getting too old for that stuff now and am winding down that part of my life.)

People often used to carry airband radios on remote trips for emergencies. The idea was that if you needed help you could wait till a plane flew over and call them, and they could relay to someone who could help you. And it did work (sometimes). There was one case I heard of where folks in the Brooks Range were able to contact a jet airliner on an over the pole route who then relayed their message. The problem is, you are dependent on a random plane flying by. (I’ve been on trips where the ONLY planes we saw was the one that dropped us off on the gravel bar and the one that picked us up a week later.) And unless you managed to have your problem somewhere that the plane can land, they aren’t going to be able to do much more than rely your problem to someone who can land there (like a helicopter).

The HUGE advantage of satellite emergency devices is that they go directly to a rescue coordination center, who can alert the nearest resource who can help you. (I have been personally involved with rescue missions that started with an InReach SOS.)

While an airband radio might be handy to talk to the helicopter when it comes to save you, a satellite device is infinitely better for that crucial first call for help. An InReach or similar should be your first choice for emergency comms in remote areas. A radio is at best an occasionally useful accessory.
 

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I don’t wish to hijack this thread but this is worth expanding on. I’ve lived in AK for 40 years, and have been active in the volunteer SAR community for around 30 years. (I’m getting too old for that stuff now and am winding down that part of my life.)

People often used to carry airband radios on remote trips for emergencies. The idea was that if you needed help you could wait till a plane flew over and call them, and they could relay to someone who could help you. And it did work (sometimes). There was one case I heard of where folks in the Brooks Range were able to contact a jet airliner on an over the pole route who then relayed their message. The problem is, you are dependent on a random plane flying by. (I’ve been on trips where the ONLY planes we saw was the one that dropped us off on the gravel bar and the one that picked us up a week later.) And unless you managed to have your problem somewhere that the plane can land, they aren’t going to be able to do much more than rely your problem to someone who can land there (like a helicopter).

The HUGE advantage of satellite emergency devices is that they go directly to a rescue coordination center, who can alert the nearest resource who can help you. (I have been personally involved with rescue missions that started with an InReach SOS.)

While an airband radio might be handy to talk to the helicopter when it comes to save you, a satellite device is infinitely better for that crucial first call for help. An InReach or similar should be your first choice for emergency comms in remote areas. A radio is at best an occasionally useful accessory.
Satellite phone and EPIRB are on the prohibited list. I may not even be able to keep the Marine and Airband radios with me, but they are not Ham radios or scanners which are listed as prohibited. I don't expect them to know the difference, except that labels on each radio indicate what they are. InReach by name is not listed, but may fall under satellite communications equipment. They want to be sure you use their paid WIFI.

Since Radiobern has had success taking radios similar to what I wish to take, I will try it myself and pack them in my first aid backpack as I usually do. That experience was the information I was hoping to hear about. Whether positive or negative. I am encouraged to take them. Worst case, they will keep them for me until the end of the cruise.

An air band radio could reach high altitude aircraft instead of waiting for something low to fly by. All you have to do is have a list of ARTCC frequencies and approach frequencies. You don't need to be able to see them. A handheld transceiver on the ground can communicate to aircraft at high altitude up to 200 miles or more. 121.5 may not get a response. I would not depend on 121.5. Never have considered 121.5 as reliable. My experience in aviation communications systems and conversations with ATC. I would also be sure to have a list of the RCO frequencies.

VHF marine is so widely used in Alaska, it may have a chance of making contact. So the combination of marine and aviation makes sense as I already own both.

I would not expect to reach anyone on a Ham radio handheld 2 meters, 70 cm or any other. I don't even hike at home with Ham radio. I usually carry the Air Band. We are usually able to reach cellular, but the mountains are a problem in some locations.

I am unsure how well the satellite SOS may work in Alaska from my wife's iPhone. It is not supposed to be reliable above 62 deg latitude. I have tested it at my home location. A test message works with a clear view of the sky.

TMobile has announced cell phone by Starlink access rolling out this summer. I am on the beta test waitlist. They announced $15/mo for TMobile subscribers and $20/mo for other cellular subscibers. I am unsure of the satellite footprint. If you look on the TMobile website for Starlink coverage, it shows what you would expect for cellular in Alaska, but not for satellite. Coverage near heavier populated areas. Outside those areas no coverage, so that makes no sense at all. Seems to be incorrect.

If I frequently went beyond cellular reach and in Alaska often, I would certainly invest in an InReach device and satellite subscription.

I would like to know if 155.16 Mhz is actually used for SAR in Alaska.
 
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