I have several of them. Me and @KE4ZNR worked on the FW.
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Ah ! The "legendary" (as in Urban Legend) SP Astro Saber with Fascinator & EDACS !Anybody remember the rumored Motorola radio that would work on an EDACS system? I heard the Navy SEALS had them, apparently so they could use the EDACS HYDRA systems found on many Naval ships.
That rumor is at least 20-25 years old now... (beaten dead horse is beaten...and dead)
Speaking of Hydra radios, I do have one (I'm also a collector, so having "less than useful" radios is not a problem
)Mine is a M-PA & served aboard USS Enterprise [CVN65] (was used by catapult officers; we call them "chien jaune = yellow dog" here
) . Still have the original box and manual...As Military systems tend to have a long "lifetime", Hydra architecture was first used with M-PA, then transitioned to M-RK, and the last time I checked they were using P7100...
IIRC, several modifications were made between a "below-deck" Hydra handheld and a "flight-deck" Hydra handheld.... (noise limiting circuitry & special EMC shielding in the UDC connector for the flight-deck one IIRC...)
And of course all the over modifications between an Hydra & Non-Hydra radio...
As a short summary : 100mW, EDACS, AEGIS and encryption capable (DES), FM (IS) for the one I have...
The box state "NAVY EDACS 403 SEL" for 403-423 MHz, but in reality the 100mW modded board is a special 403-440 MHz board, not just 403-423 like the standard UHF RF board...
IIRC the radio can switch between 20 & 100mW...
Theses Hydra systems were 406-420, then they added the 380-400 MHz band...
Ericsson sold several of theses systems where I live, locally we call them SyRTE, and it is still used today (with M-RK II) aboard modern frigates...
I do have more infos, but I remember that you disliked speaking with foreigners last time we had a conversation, so I’ll leave it at that...
I do respect KevinC a lot, and I'm curious to see His/KE4ZNR firmware, but IMHO that story was Bull****.
iDEN (MiRS) is (M)16-QAM IIRC, with 6:1 TDMA (there's no way a AS can handle that)
Also, there's a lot of different VSELP vocoder "versions" (as there's also a lot of IMBE vocoder "versions", like the 7200 vs 7100 bps of P25 vs ProVoice, for exemple...)
I'm pretty sure the 30ms frame at 126 bit per frame version (among others) of iDEN was not compatible with "ASTRO VSELP" as used in the Astro Saber...
Feel free to correct me though (with proof please) as I will be delighted to see this possible, I do like a well done PoC in radio ;-)
The iDEN comment was a joke.Ah ! The "legendary" (as in Urban Legend) SP Astro Saber with Fascinator & EDACS !
That rumor is at least 20-25 years old now... (beaten dead horse is beaten...and dead)
Speaking of Hydra radios, I do have one (I'm also a collector, so having "less than useful" radios is not a problem
Mine is a M-PA & served aboard USS Enterprise [CVN65] (was used by catapult officers; we call them "chien jaune = yellow dog" here
As Military systems tend to have a long "lifetime", Hydra architecture was first used with M-PA, then transitioned to M-RK, and the last time I checked they were using P7100...
IIRC, several modifications were made between a "below-deck" Hydra handheld and a "flight-deck" Hydra handheld.... (noise limiting circuitry & special EMC shielding in the UDC connector for the flight-deck one IIRC...)
And of course all the over modifications between an Hydra & Non-Hydra radio...
As a short summary : 100mW, EDACS, AEGIS and encryption capable (DES), FM (IS) for the one I have...
The box state "NAVY EDACS 403 SEL" for 403-423 MHz, but in reality the 100mW modded board is a special 403-440 MHz board, not just 403-423 like the standard UHF RF board...
IIRC the radio can switch between 20 & 100mW...
Theses Hydra systems were 406-420, then they added the 380-400 MHz band...
Ericsson sold several of theses systems where I live, locally we call them SyRTE, and it is still used today (with M-RK II) aboard modern frigates...
I do have more infos, but I remember that you disliked speaking with foreigners last time we had a conversation, so I’ll leave it at that...
I do respect KevinC a lot, and I'm curious to see His/KE4ZNR firmware, but IMHO that story was Bull****.
iDEN (MiRS) is (M)16-QAM IIRC, with 6:1 TDMA (there's no way a AS can handle that)
Also, there's a lot of different VSELP vocoder "versions" (as there's also a lot of IMBE vocoder "versions", like the 7200 vs 7100 bps of P25 vs ProVoice, for exemple...)
I'm pretty sure the 30ms frame at 126 bit per frame version (among others) of iDEN was not compatible with "ASTRO VSELP" as used in the Astro Saber...
Feel free to correct me though (with proof please) as I will be delighted to see this possible, I do like a well done PoC in radio ;-)
No need to apologize.Oops, Sorry !
Seems I'm too narrow minded after a long day of engineering at work
ElroyJetson
Getting tired of all the stupidity.
Near as I can tell, the 6:1 TDMA system Motorola developed in the early 80s, originally called MURS during the prototyping phase, became IDEN. I was at a comms trade show in the 80s and the Moto booth was giving out "birthday cards" with a digital voice generator advertising the clarity of digital voice via MURS. Wish I still had it. It'd be kind of collectible.
I miss iDEN. I really do miss it. I miss the Condor/Falcon lines....those were the real glory days for Nextel. Being assigned an i60c with unlimited cell/DC then upgrading to an i95CL then an i730. Even had an i860 for a bit.
Even though my Pixel 7 Pro is a hundred times more powerful than any Nextel phone I ever had it was more fun hacking Nextel with RSS & webjal and patches. IdenInsiders/NextelModz/HoFo were the places to be.
Thanks for the trip back @KevinC !
That seems to be correct. I was at Nextel during the middle/end of the Condor line of phones well into the Falcon line.
Still have some of the Iden Documentation somewhere. Rumor has it that copies of Lab RSS made it out into the wild which allowed someone to switch between the sanitized "Safe" RSS to the unencrypted hex codeplug which allowed one to edit pretty much anything one wanted.
So much fun back then.
It’s MIRS.
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Patch & Channels Clear...
Can you help me program my radio? Will you provide me with support?
Your ego precedes you, Maxwell Nyquist. You and com501 are two peas in a pod.
Back to my R2660
BMDaug
I am licensed…
Hello.
It's like a Batlabs reunion in this thread.
It's like a Batlabs reunion in this thread.
ElroyJetson
Getting tired of all the stupidity.
So, who left the gate open? Not even sure what that was about.
Whatever...I guess I now have a reason to explore the usage of the "ignore an idiot" button. If we even have one. Honestly I never even bothered to look for it until now. Never had a reason to.
Whatever...I guess I now have a reason to explore the usage of the "ignore an idiot" button. If we even have one. Honestly I never even bothered to look for it until now. Never had a reason to.
I think we’re done here.
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