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I don't know why one dispatch center would want to be using two different kinds of console.
Also with fire using CLMRN, I don't see why PD wouldn't go the same route
There's many towns public safety who have separate funding accounts and use separate systems.
If they were smart and joined /split costs, would be smarter in the long run for a better system. But can't convince dummies to do smart things
 

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I don't know why one dispatch center would want to be using two different kinds of console.
Also with fire using CLMRN, I don't see why PD wouldn't go the same route


You want logic? Are unfamiliar with how things work?
 

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I wouldn't be surprised to see them all together on a Hartford system linked to CLMRN like the others in the state.
 

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I wouldn't be surprised to see them all together on a Hartford system linked to CLMRN like the others in the state.
I miss the good old days when North/ South/traffic/detective and a couple of rafs frequencies got you all the info you needed for Hartford😁
 

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The Hartford Trunk in the database has been properly renamed to HartLink, the official name for the system.
 

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Is there any one here that can hear Town of Groton police department In the Hartford are and if so what troop tower is it you hear them on .Thank you
 

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Not on the Hartford City system, Hartlink (this thread) but on CLMRN, Troop H Site, every now and then. It depends if a radio is affiliated in the area or not.
 

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What was the reason for the name change?
Because the name in the DB was just a generic name, vs the official name. It was just renamed in the DB to match that. The actual system name hasn't changed.
 

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Late breaking news: Hartford will be reposting the RFP in a few weeks since Motorola raised an issue with the consoles. Motorola bid with Avtec consoles, but Hartford wants consoles made by the system manufacturer. This probably puts the project back 2 - 3 months.

They expect to award the contract in May or June and begin site work in Sept - December this year. Testing could be delayed until January or February next year, assuming no other glitches, like supply chain delays, pop up.

I'm missing something. Moto bought Avtec in 2019. Very odd. Maybe slap some Moto stickers on 'em and problem solved! LOL!

 

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I'm missing something. Moto bought Avtec in 2019. Very odd. Maybe slap some Moto stickers on 'em and problem solved! LOL!
Because they want harris, and Motorola MCC7500 consoles are much more expencive than harris, and that will make Motorolas bid higher than the harris bid...
So in the end hartford gets harris.
Same thing you do with fire trucks, you put something in the bid only the manufactuer you want has so the other bids will have to put exceptions, then you can disreguard them and get the truck you want
 

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The amount of waste each of these towns are spending for private systems never ceases to amaze me. How many tens of millions of dollars are being spent so these towns can feel special instead of joining the state system? Even county systems like MD/PA/VA/etc would be better, but we decided to get rid of county government for some reason years ago.
 

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As for a county government system being discounted, I believe it had a lot to do with the county sheriffs depts… and the questionable practices of paying the high sheriff money that came from their subordinates. If you wanted a job in the dept or wanted to remain in the dept, a stipend was required. I don’t know if all county’s practiced this but if memory serves, it was first considered as a slush fund and donations were voluntary. That changed somewhere along the line and donations became mandatory to stay in favor with the high sheriff? I could be all wet on this and welcome any corrections on my understanding.
 

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Regional dispatch systems (county or otherwise) are a very viable way to go. But each town or city that currently has their own system have their own reasons for choosing which way to go when it comes time for an upgrade, some good, some bad. Until each town or city lists their pros and cons for joining Ct Land Mobile Radio Network (CLMRN) (or staying with an independent system) are known, regional dispatching can not be considered the ā€œgo toā€ choice out-if-hand. I realize some agencies will simply brush off the question of why they chose a specific system with the comment ā€œBecause we canā€. And follow up on the question with ā€œIt’s what the taxpayers voted forā€. Here’s what’s wrong with that… In most cases the voters didn’t question what was proposed in the budget. They figure their elected officials are on top of any expenditures, and the input they get from their dept heads has to be the way to go. The problem with this is elected officials and dept heads aren’t usually versed in comms systems. They are cops and firefighters who only want assurance on one thing, when they push the ā€œpush-to-talk (PTT) button on the mic, their message gets to where it’s supposed to go. To them it’s a tool in their toolbox that helps them get the job done. So they rely on their radio contractors to guide them. Contractors are in business to make money for themselves and will sell you their equipment/systems. Yes, they will give you something that works, but is it the only option? In some cases they aren’t telling you everything.

Town and city govts should hire independent expert advisors. They will have the best interests of the town or city at heart because they represent the govts, NOT the people who have been supplying comms systems to them for decades and will sell you a system that may very well be overpriced, certain options unneeded etc. Let the independent experts meet with those companies that submit bids to replace an old outmoded system. They will include the possibility of regional dispatch (in this case CLMRN) with them in any discussion and learn why it may or may not be the way to go, then submit their findings to the heads of the depts involved. But the path to regional dispatch must include the voters… question the expenditures at town/city budget hearings, ask about the possibility of regional dispatch, etc. At the very least the voters will get the idea of regional dispatch on the table for further study at the town/city level.

I believe studies by organizations such as Capitol Region (for one) already have committees exploring the idea, so, it’s being looked at from the top end… educating the public to the possibility of regional dispatch as a money savings proposal is what needs to be done from the bottom end.

Govt works slowly. But we’ve seen some towns and cities already taking advantage of CLMRN, which is saying ā€œregional dispatchā€. And word of mouth will spread among the police and fire chief organizations. (There are other towns such as Avon who have looked at CLMRN but discarded the idea mostly for inadequate area coverage? BUT in Avons case, ONLY after the town had voted to fund a new independent town owned system and learned after the fact an antenna site currently being used in Canton could not be improved by increasing the height of the structure due to the Town of Canton voting down the improvement, I believe because of ascetic reasons? So, there are many reasons why certain towns/cities choose not to jump on to CLMRN.

I believe statewide regional dispatch will become the norm eventually. I also believe I will be long dead and buried by the time it happens!
 

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The amount of waste each of these towns are spending for private systems never ceases to amaze me. How many tens of millions of dollars are being spent so these towns can feel special instead of joining the state system? Even county systems like MD/PA/VA/etc would be better, but we decided to get rid of county government for some reason years ago.
City of Hartford definitely has enough traffic to warrant their own system though, and if they did decide to go with harris, it'd be cool to see them collaborate with West Hartford, and create a multi-town system (basically just expand West Hartford's existing system) that would also save some money for Hartford, as the "backbone" of the system is already in place.
I know thats a long shot, but multi-town collaboration works nicely when done right. Also an ISSI with CLMRN would be a good thought, to allow roaming
 

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City of Hartford definitely has enough traffic to warrant their own system though, and if they did decide to go with harris, it'd be cool to see them collaborate with West Hartford, and create a multi-town system (basically just expand West Hartford's existing system) that would also save some money for Hartford, as the "backbone" of the system is already in place.
I know thats a long shot, but multi-town collaboration works nicely when done right. Also an ISSI with CLMRN would be a good thought, to allow roaming
They could even buy the hartford p25 system from the hospital since it's not being used and then expand. That systems has great coverage - even in farmington at my buddies house he's able to pick it up for the most part with a fair to good signal with an inside the house antenna.
 

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If I recall, there was discussion with West Hartford back when they were setting up their system. Since one of West Hartford's licensed sites is next to Hartford's at the top of Hartford Insurance, the coverage could be the same with some changes (I think they have a directional gain antenna at that site now).
Saving taxpayer money is not a priority in many, many cities and towns in CT. Although Hartford is including the schools, smart move as the majority of tax money goes to them anyway.

chris
 

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Regional dispatch systems (county or otherwise) are a very viable way to go. But each town or city that currently has their own system have their own reasons for choosing which way to go when it comes time for an upgrade, some good, some bad. Until each town or city lists their pros and cons for joining Ct Land Mobile Radio Network (CLMRN) (or staying with an independent system) are known, regional dispatching can not be considered the ā€œgo toā€ choice out-if-hand. I realize some agencies will simply brush off the question of why they chose a specific system with the comment ā€œBecause we canā€. And follow up on the question with ā€œIt’s what the taxpayers voted forā€. Here’s what’s wrong with that… In most cases the voters didn’t question what was proposed in the budget. They figure their elected officials are on top of any expenditures, and the input they get from their dept heads has to be the way to go. The problem with this is elected officials and dept heads aren’t usually versed in comms systems. They are cops and firefighters who only want assurance on one thing, when they push the ā€œpush-to-talk (PTT) button on the mic, their message gets to where it’s supposed to go. To them it’s a tool in their toolbox that helps them get the job done. So they rely on their radio contractors to guide them. Contractors are in business to make money for themselves and will sell you their equipment/systems. Yes, they will give you something that works, but is it the only option? In some cases they aren’t telling you everything.

Town and city govts should hire independent expert advisors. They will have the best interests of the town or city at heart because they represent the govts, NOT the people who have been supplying comms systems to them for decades and will sell you a system that may very well be overpriced, certain options unneeded etc. Let the independent experts meet with those companies that submit bids to replace an old outmoded system. They will include the possibility of regional dispatch (in this case CLMRN) with them in any discussion and learn why it may or may not be the way to go, then submit their findings to the heads of the depts involved. But the path to regional dispatch must include the voters… question the expenditures at town/city budget hearings, ask about the possibility of regional dispatch, etc. At the very least the voters will get the idea of regional dispatch on the table for further study at the town/city level.

I believe studies by organizations such as Capitol Region (for one) already have committees exploring the idea, so, it’s being looked at from the top end… educating the public to the possibility of regional dispatch as a money savings proposal is what needs to be done from the bottom end.

Govt works slowly. But we’ve seen some towns and cities already taking advantage of CLMRN, which is saying ā€œregional dispatchā€. And word of mouth will spread among the police and fire chief organizations. (There are other towns such as Avon who have looked at CLMRN but discarded the idea mostly for inadequate area coverage? BUT in Avons case, ONLY after the town had voted to fund a new independent town owned system and learned after the fact an antenna site currently being used in Canton could not be improved by increasing the height of the structure due to the Town of Canton voting down the improvement, I believe because of ascetic reasons? So, there are many reasons why certain towns/cities choose not to jump on to CLMRN.

I believe statewide regional dispatch will become the norm eventually. I also believe I will be long dead and buried by the time it happens!
Back in the day...as in late 70s, a rather costly study was conducted to consolidate dispatch services and the like between West Haven, Orange and Milford. Additionally in the same time period, a federally funded study was prepared with the recommendation that the Ansonia, Derby, Seymour and Naugatuck public services and dispatch be unified and consolidated into the "Birmingham District". So what happened with either study and recommendations made: Nothing. Reason: No political entity wanted to give up control their law enforcement fiefdom.
Sounds silly, but it's true. Been there and seen that. Not to cast aspersions, the volunteers were the loudest and I daresay, most obnoxious opponents of any consolidation. As to Ct Land Mobile Radio Network (CLMRN) , notwithstanding redundancies built into the system, there will be a day when it crashes for any number of reasons, internal or external. What happens then?
 
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