Havana Syndrome

[Natty01]

Only ultraviolet, x-rays and gamma rays can do that.
Frequencies lower than UV (light, IR, RF) are non-ionizing radiation.

If only ultraviolet, x-rays and gamma rays can cause this, would it be possible to affect people in a domestic setting?

How would Knocking electrons out of molecules effect the human body/ organic matter? And if this has happened, can it be reversed?

And how would people be able to guard/defend themselves against this if it is possible?

 

[MUTNAV]

If only ultraviolet, x-rays and gamma rays can cause this, would it be possible to affect people in a domestic setting?

How would Knocking electrons out of molecules effect the human body/ organic matter? And if this has happened, can it be reversed?

And how would people be able to guard/defend themselves against this if it is possible?

Ok.... What he said is a little misleading, in context it was correct, he's kind of talking about radiated energy.

Radioactive material also does this (stripping an electron from a molecule). Alpha and beta ( and neutrons) would then be included.

The worst effect is when it damages DNA, which can cause cancer (IMHO).

A persons body can repair a certain amount of radiation damage, and does so all of the time, if levels are low enough.

This is WAY out of the scope of radio-reference level comments. Need to go to a site specializing in nuclear, health, and related things etc...

Sorry,
Thanks
Joel

 

[nd5y]

If only ultraviolet, x-rays and gamma rays can cause this, would it be possible to affect people in a domestic setting?

I don't know what a domestic setting is.

How would Knocking electrons out of molecules effect the human body/ organic matter? And if this has happened, can it be reversed?

You need to study ionizing radiation and non-ionizing radiation.
RF is non-ionizing but it can cause heating which in some cases can do the same thing or cause worse damage immediately like any other burn injury.

And how would people be able to guard/defend themselves against this if it is possible?

Avoid sunlight.

Build a bunker out of several feet thick concrete. Line it with lead bricks. If you want maximum protection gold is more dense and protects against radiation more than lead so use gold bricks if you can afford it. Then never leave the bunker.

 

[dlwtrunked]

stop putting butter in the micro.
heat the food and then add the butter !

You cannot spread cold butter on even hot toast. Tried many times at restaurants.

 

[wtp]

what is this cold butter you talk of, we leave it out.
if out, i use a steak knife to cut the cold ones.

 

[prcguy]

If only ultraviolet, x-rays and gamma rays can cause this, would it be possible to affect people in a domestic setting?

How would Knocking electrons out of molecules effect the human body/ organic matter? And if this has happened, can it be reversed?

And how would people be able to guard/defend themselves against this if it is possible?

If you had a neighbor that you didn’t like and got a large surplus X-Ray machine and pointed it through the wall at them and ran it often I suspect you could do some damage over time.

 

[MUTNAV]

OR... If you live in an area with high Radon levels and have a poorly ventilated basement, that could cause a problem over time....

Thanks
Joel

 

[prcguy]

OR... If you live in an area with high Radon levels and have a poorly ventilated basement, that could cause a problem over time....

Thanks
Joel

In that case suck the Radon out of your basement and pipe it over to the neighbors basement.

 

[dlwtrunked]

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How would Knocking electrons out of molecules effect the human body/ organic matter? And if this has happened, can it be reversed?

And how would people be able to guard/defend themselves against this if it is possible?

You need to research this. Most people know that radiation like this is a primary cause of cancer and genetic mutations. Cumulative background radiations (radioactive substances in soil, cosmic rays, and medical X-rays all contribute). It cannot be reversed and as far as treatment, cancer is only sometimes curable. Generally there is not much you can do about it.

 

[BinaryMode]

"Havana Syndrome" is a very real thing. The news magazine TV show 60 Minutes covered it. Here's an article from The Guardian on DC attacks. White House investigating ‘unexplained health incidents’ similar to Havana syndrome

In synopsis, the CIA doesn't believe it's a foreign actor.

The device may be an electromagnetic pulsed energy device.

 

[RFI-EMI-GUY]

"Havana Syndrome" is a very real thing. The news magazine TV show 60 Minutes covered it. Here's an article from The Guardian on DC attacks. White House investigating ‘unexplained health incidents’ similar to Havana syndrome

In synopsis, the CIA doesn't believe it's a foreign actor.

The device may be an electromagnetic pulsed energy device.

I am pretty conflicted on this. As a long time sufferer of Tinnitus, I recognize that there are health phenomenon that defy explanation.

On the other hand, there is simple technology that uses microwaves to create auditory disruption, by actually superheating water in the inner ear. It is a well known, and studied effect, that was first noticed in WWII with radar.

Our governments denial of this "Havana syndrome" may be cover for the possibility our CIA is doing the exact same thing to adversaries. An interesting study would be to reverse engineer the system required to do this from afar. Could the required equipment fit in a small van? Could the beam travel 100 feet into a window? Could two beams from separate transmitters at reduced level be converged to isolate the beam energy to one individual? Could the beams convey tracking/radar information about the target moving about in a hotel room? Could the equipment be carried into a hotel room by hand luggage? I think all of this is very possible.

 

[prcguy]

1. Could the required equipment fit in a small van? Yes.
2. Could the beam travel 100 feet into a window? Yes.
3. Could two beams from separate transmitters at reduced level be converged to isolate the beam energy to one individual? Sort of.
4. Could the beams convey tracking/radar information about the target moving about in a hotel room? Yes.
5. Could the equipment be carried into a hotel room by hand luggage? Yes.

 

[KevinC]

3. Could two beams from separate transmitters at reduced level be converged to isolate the beam energy to one individual?

NO!!!! Don't cross the streams!!!!

 

[RFI-EMI-GUY]

NO!!!! Don't cross the streams!!!!

That has always been important advice!

 

[RFI-EMI-GUY]

1. Could the required equipment fit in a small van? Yes.
2. Could the beam travel 100 feet into a window? Yes.
3. Could two beams from separate transmitters at reduced level be converged to isolate the beam energy to one individual? Sort of.
4. Could the beams convey tracking/radar information about the target moving about in a hotel room? Yes.
5. Could the equipment be carried into a hotel room by hand luggage? Yes.

I believe this "thing" has been constructed and deployed by US as well as an adversary, likely Russia. The US is deflecting on the issue because the question will come up in hearings. If they have it why don't we have it? Well, err, yup we have it.

Had it for over a decade:

 

[MUTNAV]

I am pretty conflicted on this. As a long time sufferer of Tinnitus, I recognize that there are health phenomenon that defy explanation.

On the other hand, there is simple technology that uses microwaves to create auditory disruption, by actually superheating water in the inner ear. It is a well known, and studied effect, that was first noticed in WWII with radar.

Our governments denial of this "Havana syndrome" may be cover for the possibility our CIA is doing the exact same thing to adversaries. An interesting study would be to reverse engineer the system required to do this from afar. Could the required equipment fit in a small van? Could the beam travel 100 feet into a window? Could two beams from separate transmitters at reduced level be converged to isolate the beam energy to one individual? Could the beams convey tracking/radar information about the target moving about in a hotel room? Could the equipment be carried into a hotel room by hand luggage? I think all of this is very possible.

Another reason to deny such things exist, is that if it turn out to be something easy to replicate, how many jerks with a grudge against their neighbor would want / make a device that could do this kind of thing.

In an high energy weapon thing, I believe congress asked what they could do to (to stop proliferation) and they were basically told they would have to ban the microwave oven.

Directed energy weapons shoot painful but non-lethal beams – are similar weapons behind the Havana syndrome?

Electromagnetic beams of the right power and wavelength can cause pain and zap electronics. Could they also be used to disrupt a person’s nervous system?

theconversation.com

I believe this "thing" has been constructed and deployed by US as well as an adversary, likely Russia. The US is deflecting on the issue because the question will come up in hearings. If they have it why don't we have it? Well, err, yup we have it.

Had it for over a decade:

There is also the possibility that it is so easy to replicate that every jerk that wants to mess with a neighbor would make and use it.

If I remember right, congress was asking a person testifying how to ban certain electronic weapons and the response from the expert testifying was that they would have to ban microwave ovens among other things.

Thanks
Joel

 

[prcguy]

Another reason to deny such things exist, is that if it turn out to be something easy to replicate, how many jerks with a grudge against their neighbor would want / make a device that could do this kind of thing.

In an high energy weapon thing, I believe congress asked what they could do to (to stop proliferation) and they were basically told they would have to ban the microwave oven.

Directed energy weapons shoot painful but non-lethal beams – are similar weapons behind the Havana syndrome?

Electromagnetic beams of the right power and wavelength can cause pain and zap electronics. Could they also be used to disrupt a person’s nervous system?

theconversation.com

There is also the possibility that it is so easy to replicate that every jerk that wants to mess with a neighbor would make and use it.

If I remember right, congress was asking a person testifying how to ban certain electronic weapons and the response from the expert testifying was that they would have to ban microwave ovens among other things.

Thanks
Joel

The Havana Syndrome may not be an intentional weapon but a side effect of eavesdropping via bouncing high power microwave signals off a device placed in a room to be monitored. Both Russia and the US are guilty of this although it appears the US can do it with much less RF power.

 

[RFI-EMI-GUY]

The Havana Syndrome may not be an intentional weapon but a side effect of eavesdropping via bouncing high power microwave signals off a device placed in a room to be monitored. Both Russia and the US are guilty of this although it appears the US can do it with much less RF power.

Thanks to Edward Snowden I have the schematics to build my own passive bugs.

 

[MUTNAV]

The Havana Syndrome may not be an intentional weapon but a side effect of eavesdropping via bouncing high power microwave signals off a device placed in a room to be monitored. Both Russia and the US are guilty of this although it appears the US can do it with much less RF power.

Could be.....

Information gained would be far more valuable than hurting the people with the information.

Like when the navy shot down (Yamamotos?) airplane during WWII. It was cited as a victory, but behind the scenes (if I understand it correctly), the shoot down caused the Japanese to realize their current codes had been broken. The loss of the communications intercept capability was a huge.

Thanks
Joel

 

[WR9A]

Just throwing this into the mix for possible causes... 5G. <ducking>

And for private conversations, well, we have the "Cone of Silence"...

Cone of Silence (Get Smart) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org