Help with understanding Trunking Reception

[nec208]

I thought they would do like Toronto EMS but they did not want to go on the region trunk system .

All they need for the VHF is Provincial Paging ,Provincial Common,Provincial Tactical and Air Ambulance - Medcom Dispatch .

And all EMS in the GTA could patch the talkgroups if they have call this is how Brampton fire and Vaughan fire do it if they have call at 407 and 427.

 

[mikewazowski]

I thought they would do like Toronto EMS but they did not want to go on the region trunk system .

All they need for the VHF is Provincial Paging ,Provincial Common,Provincial Tactical and Air Ambulance - Medcom Dispatch ..

It still requires a second radio in each vehicle at a cost probably just under $1,000.

Vehicles do not have access to Medcom either. If they did, that would require a 3rd radio since Medcom is UHF.

Paging is also not required.

And all EMS in the GTA could patch the talkgroups if they have call this is how Brampton fire and Vaughan fire do it if they have call at 407 and 427.

So the CACC's would have to install extra radios on the other GTA systems in order to do the patching??

Or would you have all the patching be done on Provinical Common and Provincial Tactical? Considering the number of vehicles that traverse CACC boundaries every day, those frequencies would become severely congested.

As well, the CACC's (for the most part) are provincially run. I don't think Peel would want to handle the responsibility of setting up their own CACC. Halton would need one for their area as well since their radio system is incompatible with Peel's.

 

[exkalibur]

The idea of Fleetnet is to avoid all the hassle involved with such a thing. As Mike said, it would not be practical (or inexpensive) to switch everyone over to a regional trunked system. What about areas like the Niagara Region or any other area that doesn't have a regional trunked system? It makes MUCH more sense to have all EMS vehicles in Ontario on the same system. In areas like Toronto where the regular EMS operations are on their own sepapate system, they still have a VHF radio on Fleetnet so they can communicate with other services and vehicles.

This common system allows a vehicle from say, London, to be able to select and use the local talkgroup while in Hamilton, should they need to run a call. In times of emergency, it also allows a service in say Barrie to loan a vehicle or two to Owen Sound if required, and there wouldn't be any issues as far as radios are concerned. Try doing that if each service had incompatible systems.

 

[nec208]

Well they do go all over so a region trunk would be hard that say Peel unit goes to York or Peel unit goes to Halton that would be 3 region trunk systems.


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So the CACC's would have to install extra radios on the other GTA systems in order to do the patching??
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I say do the way fire do the patching.

On a site note the EMS comes in very good full strength when you not moving but in car they come in strength 1 or some times strength 2.

 

[jellotor]

Uhm, are you agreeing with Mike & Steve or not, here?

I'm not sure if you realize how often (especially in the GTA) there are vehicles in transit across two or three or more municipalities. As Mike pointed out, Fleetnet operates as a province-wide trunking system.

To do it any other way ('fire patching,' whatever the hell that means) is asinine. The system works, they use it every day.

 

[nec208]

I'm not sure how the fire do the patching..

 

[jellotor]

Ok, I'm really confused then. If you don't know how the fire (??) do the patching, then why suggest it as an alternative to what the MOH currently do?

 

[mikewazowski]

I'm as confused as you are Jellotor.

Generally any trunk patching for fire is done through the OFM channel. The working talkgroup from each system is patched to OFM. Since fire departments don't do much mutual aid, the system works and OFM isn't that busy.

However, MOH vehicles traverse CACC boundaries all the time. Patching to a single channel like fire does would be ridiculous.

NEC208, since you don't know how fire patches, why would you suggest it as a way MOH could utilize regional trunk systems?

 

[nec208]

Well why does Toronto EMS are the only exception and don't use call number like 3075 the 3and XXX?

Well Toronto EMS is like 9 XX ?They have their own channels and dispatchers?

 

[phyberoptics]

Yikes!