High Gain Antenna

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The BR-136 has a good VSWR across all the advertised bands but you wouldn’t use high gain in the same sentence. At best it’s close to a 1/4 wave whip on all bands. I use the PCTEL/Motorola versions on a ground plane with various multiband cop radios and it works ok.
 

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I have a Comtelco and it’s about the same and about the same as a Larsen or Laird and many other Tri-Band types. Go here and read the test data Antenna range testing between multiband mobile antennas

It seems the types with a loading coil in the center have slightly better UHF performance at the cost of VHF loosing a little and the whips with no coil like your Browning are a little better on VHF and UHF is down a little. There are no single gain type mobile antennas that cover all of VHF/UHF/700/800, you would need three separate large mono band gain antennas and a triplexer.
 

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Does anyone have good results for this antenna on a ground plane kit? Planning on using LMR-400 coax in the attic to a jumper for the scanner.

Browning Antenna Amazon.com: Browning BR-136 Tri-Band Antenna 22 inch VHF 136-174 UHF 380-520 & 698-960 MHz 3/4 inch NMO Connector for all VHF UHF Mobile Radios : Electronics
I use the BR-137 on my Explorer connected to my HP2. Works great. Looks the same except it has a coil in the center of the vertical element. I have used it on a ground plane off the balcony of a condo in Daytona Beach Shores and Marathon FL and it worked very well on all three bands. Amazon does not currently have it. You can find a few sellers online.

I would suggest using a low noise CATV drop amplifier at the antenna to overcome feed line loss. I use the 4 port and single port version. I feed 4 scanners with the 4 port version using the power inserter, F to BNC connectors and RG58. Don't be concerned about 75 ohm vs 50 ohms on receive. It is essentially irrelevant.


BR-137 Specs are below.

Specific Freq. (MHz)
136-174, 380-520, 698-960 MHz (No Tuning Necessary)
Gain (dB)
136-174 (3db), 380-520(6db), 698-960 (6db)
Color
Black
Maximum Power
100 watts
Bandwidth >1.5 VSWR
VSWR 136-174 (38 MHz), 380-520 (140 MHz), 698-960 (262 MHz)
 
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Do you have any good recommendations for a triplexer? Also looking at this to go between both scanners.

Motorola, Panorama or Sti-Co would be my choices. I have several of each I picked up on flea bay cheap. You just have to catch one early if it has a good price.

Here are some examples of what the usually go for. I usually wait until the get down to about $75.


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Do you have any good recommendations for a triplexer? Also looking at this to go between both scanners.

This will do what you want, I have these and they work fine. I would recommend buying this immediately after you read this cuz it won’t last now that I posted it.

Edit: just noticed it’s an auction, offer $50 to get something started.

 

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That SP-1300 has a pretty significant insertion loss as expected since you are not only dividing the signal, but the power as well. At least half signal power loss. With a low noise CATV drop amp, you can avoid insertion loss and overcome some feed line loss with the small amount of gain that the drop amp provides. Always use amplifiers as close as possible to the antenna in the feed line.

I updated my earlier post with the Electroline drop amp options. They are low noise and have worked very well for me feeding 4 scanners with one antenna. There are other drop amp brands. Be sure to get one with a low noise figure. 3 dB or less.
 

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The SP1300 was going to be inserted in the scanner that needs to reach out farther and the 2nd output was for the local one.
 

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That SP-1300 has a pretty significant insertion loss as expected since you are not only dividing the signal, but the power as well. At least half signal power loss. With a low noise CATV drop amp, you can avoid insertion loss and overcome some feed line loss with the small amount of gain that the drop amp provides. Always use amplifiers as close as possible to the antenna in the feed line.

I updated my earlier post with the Electroline drop amp options. They are low noise and have worked very well for me feeding 4 scanners with one antenna. There are other drop amp brands. Be sure to get one with a low noise figure. 3 dB or less.
Low noise would be like .5dB. 3dB NF is lousy. And CATV drop amps are not designed for use with an antenna, they are intended for a known range of frequencies at nearly equal levels in a closed cable system. An active antenna multicoupler is designed for use with an antenna. There is a big reason why drop amps are cheap and multicouplers are not.
 

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Low noise would be like .5dB. 3dB NF is lousy. And CATV drop amps are not designed for use with an antenna, they are intended for a known range of frequencies at nearly equal levels in a closed cable system. An active antenna multicoupler is designed for use with an antenna. There is a big reason why drop amps are cheap and multicouplers are not.
No way is 3dB lousy. It is about as high of a noise figure that you will want for very good performance with general receiver applications such as scanner radios, and up to 5dB is acceptable for general receiver applications, unless HF which can have much higher noise figures. 1.5dB NF or less is excellent. I have used a 6dB NF antenna amp in the past and it worked just fine for scanner reception. The amp must be near the antenna, otherwise it may add more noise than signal. The application is to distribute signal and overcome feedline losses. Not try to improve the signal at the antenna connection, although signal gain can be realized especially with very low noise figure amps. Drop amps are an affordable option for antenna distribution amps. There is no technical reason they cannot be used to deliver signal from a single antenna to several receivers, unless you are trying to receive outside their passband of 54 to 1002 MHz. Sure that was not their intended application, but no reason not to use them that way.

I have used the Electroline drop amps for several years and the proof is in the performance I get. Their noise figure is 3dB. For the cost, I have not needed better. Reception is improved with any antenna I have used with them. They overcome feed line losses allowing me to use less expensive more flexible feed lines, and I do get overall signal gain.

Comparing reception from any of my antennas on a short feed line without these drop amps, I get better signal using these drop amps over a long RG58 drop to the scanner. Often 25 ft or more from the amp. Amp to antenna is usually 5 feet.

I take one of these drop amps and a homemade broadband multi-element dipole antenna with me on vacation feeding 3 to 4 scanners, and enjoy excellent reception of MilAir on 137-144 Mhz, 148-151 Mhz and 225-400 Mhz. 162-174 Mhz Federal LMR including P25. Also VHF marine and VHF/UHF USCG LMR sometimes in the clear. Reception of local 700/800 Mhz also works well, but typically unecessary as the antenna on the SDS100 is all that is needed.

I have a deployable kit for vacation that includes an Electroline EDA2400 4 port CATV drop amp with power supply and power inserter. Multiple lengths of RG58 cables for connection of antenna to amp and amp to radios. I have 3 foot lengths of RG174 with female BNC for feeding through door and window cracks. Wideband dipole antenna mounted to PVC pipe. Nite Ize Gear ties to mount the antenna to a balcony railing or other structure.

The Florida Keys are target rich for MilAir, Marine, USCG and civil aviation. When down there I receive quite a bit of MilAir in the Tarpon Range area. Sometimes very interesting.
 

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A Stridsberg preamp-20 in itself has a 3,5dB stated noise figure and then add the 1-4 splitter and a 0 to +3dB gain figure from input to output and you'll get more than a 4dB noise figure for a Stridsberg multicoupler. So an Electroline EDA splitter are pretty good in comparison, especially in price. A EDA splitter are designed to cope with high signal levels in distribution cable nets but a Stridsberg fails at high signal levels, but also at low signals due to its noise figure.

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No way is 3dB lousy. It is about as high of a noise figure that you will want for very good performance with general receiver applications such as scanner radios, and up to 5dB is acceptable for general receiver applications, unless HF which can have much higher noise figures. 1.5dB NF or less is excellent. I have used a 6dB NF antenna amp in the past and it worked just fine for scanner reception. The amp must be near the antenna, otherwise it may add more noise than signal. The application is to distribute signal and overcome feedline losses. Not try to improve the signal at the antenna connection, although signal gain can be realized especially with very low noise figure amps. Drop amps are an affordable option for antenna distribution amps. There is no technical reason they cannot be used to deliver signal from a single antenna to several receivers, unless you are trying to receive outside their passband of 54 to 1002 MHz. Sure that was not their intended application, but no reason not to use them that way.

I have used the Electroline drop amps for several years and the proof is in the performance I get. Their noise figure is 3dB. For the cost, I have not needed better. Reception is improved with any antenna I have used with them. They overcome feed line losses allowing me to use less expensive more flexible feed lines, and I do get overall signal gain.

Comparing reception from any of my antennas on a short feed line without these drop amps, I get better signal using these drop amps over a long RG58 drop to the scanner. Often 25 ft or more from the amp. Amp to antenna is usually 5 feet.

I take one of these drop amps and a homemade broadband multi-element dipole antenna with me on vacation feeding 3 to 4 scanners, and enjoy excellent reception of MilAir on 137-144 Mhz, 148-151 Mhz and 225-400 Mhz. 162-174 Mhz Federal LMR including P25. Also VHF marine and VHF/UHF USCG LMR sometimes in the clear. Reception of local 700/800 Mhz also works well, but typically unecessary as the antenna on the SDS100 is all that is needed.

I have a deployable kit for vacation that includes an Electroline EDA2400 4 port CATV drop amp with power supply and power inserter. Multiple lengths of RG58 cables for connection of antenna to amp and amp to radios. I have 3 foot lengths of RG174 with female BNC for feeding through door and window cracks. Wideband dipole antenna mounted to PVC pipe. Nite Ize Gear ties to mount the antenna to a balcony railing or other structure.

The Florida Keys are target rich for MilAir, Marine, USCG and civil aviation. When down there I receive quite a bit of MilAir in the Tarpon Range area. Sometimes very interesting.
There is a reason a CATV drop amp can be had new for $30-$60 where a good quality 50 ohm 10MHz to 1GHz 8 way splitter costs over $200 and a reasonable high level LNA to feed it starts around $100 and goes up from there. You get what you pay for and your reception and headaches are determined by the quality of your distribution components. I’ve also tried a couple of drop amps here fed from a Discone in my RF rich environment they degrade reception and create lots of IMD and ghost signals. If you’re happy using the wrong components for something that’s great, but it’s a disservice to this community to recommend wrong components as the thing to buy for everyone.
 

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but it’s a disservice to this community to recommend wrong components as the thing to buy for everyone.
But you have RF hell at your location that can only use low gain high NF amplifiers that can handle exceptionally high RF levels, something that probably 95% of people don't need to consider. A normal scanner are way worse in handling signals than any of those Electroline EDA amplifiers.

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But you have RF hell at your location that can only use low gain high NF amplifiers that can handle exceptionally high RF levels, something that probably 95% of people don't need to consider. A normal scanner are way worse in handling signals than any of those Electroline EDA amplifiers.

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The population of my city is around 3.8 million people. If .1% listen to police scanners here, then 380,000 could have the same problem I have. It's not unique.

And I suspect a lot of people have IMD problems and poor reception due to using low quality distribution equipment and don't even know it. I've run into quite a few where I bypassed the junk between the antenna and receive and suddenly reception is better.
 

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But you have RF hell at your location that can only use low gain high NF amplifiers that can handle exceptionally high RF levels, something that probably 95% of people don't need to consider. A normal scanner are way worse in handling signals than any of those Electroline EDA amplifiers.

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I have used the Electroline EDA 4 port amp in a highly saturated RF environment. Considering most scanner radios are challenged in such environments, my BCT15X and BCD996P2 do not have much trouble with images or IMD. In fact they are usually unaffected. They did not do any worse being fed by the 4 port EDA amp. System gain is low. Maybe 2 - 4 dB depending on received frequency and using 25 or more feet of RG58 on 75 ohm amplifier ports. The BCD325P2 also did well. Only the Radio Shack PRO-164 was somewhat affected probably due to system gain. I have used this setup for about 5 years. Never disappoints.
 
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BCT15X and BCD996P2 do not have much trouble with images or IMD. In fact they are usually unaffected.
I have the older BCT15 without the X and I have two places in town where most scanners gets overloaded and create crossmodulation but the BCT15 are one of few that cleared that test. In fact I've never heard any overload issues from it and use it when verifying any frequencies that other scanners pick up during band searches.

I soldered a 5V stabilizer to the BCT15's circuit board and feed that out on the RI pin of the 9pin D-sub to connect a GPS using only one cable. The BCT15 can only do speed warnings and dangerous roads and crossings but where probably the first scanner that could use a GPS. Too bad that Butel never did the GPS editor that he promised to do.

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