How do we get CORRECT info in the database?

[Voyager]

I've told the person in charge of the Westmoreland Co, PA TRS SEVERAL times that there is no such TG as FIRE TAC-1 and FIRE TAC-2. It does not exist in ANY of the fire radios. A couple of times, they were removed, ONLY TO RETURN.

I've since completely stopped submitting data to the database and referring people to it until the data in it is confirmed with some legitimate source.

Is there NO WAY to get these bogus TGs out of the system on a permanent basis?

The TG list for the fire portables is as follows:
Dispatch
Command (different for each of the 4 fire zones)
TAC-3
TAC-4
TAC-5
TAC-6
TAC-7
TAC-8
TAC-9
TAC-10
TAC-11
TAC-12 (Countywide - PD/FD/EMS/Etc)
TAC-13 (Countywide - PD/FD/EMS/Etc)
TAC-14 (Countywide - PD/FD/EMS/Etc)
TAC-15 (Countywide - PD/FD/EMS/Etc)
Talkaround

Those are the 16 'channels' in an XTS1500 programmed for the fire services. The XTS2500s and XTL5000s have other TGs programmed in them, but no additional TAC channels. There are only 9 TAC channels for fire operations - period.

THERE IS NO SUCH TG AS TAC-1 AND TAC-2 :!:

I know it's hard for people to understand that they start at 3, not 1, but that is the fact of the way it is. Police also have no TAC-1 channel - the first channel in their radios is their district DISPATCH channel. Then the TAC-2 channel appropriate for their district, Etc.

When the database starts showing some accuracy, I'll start submitting more info.

Joe M.

 

[ThornyO5]

Let's not forget these are humans, they make mistakes, find out who the moderator is and PM them and let them know. If they came back that means someone else resubmitted the info.

 

[Voyager]

Let's not forget these are humans, they make mistakes, find out who the moderator is and PM them and let them know. If they came back that means someone else resubmitted the info.

I've done that - several times. He keeps putting them back on even after I've told him they are bogus groups. Maybe he needs to make a note that there are no such TGs as Fire TAC-1 and Fire TAC-2. I don't think TAC-2 was ever removed, but TAC-1 was for a while. Again, I've told him of the error - even after the last time it was put back on the list.

I would not complain if this was an 'ooops', but I've told him several times now. The info in confirmed by the radio programming. I don't know what the other sources of info are, but I trust the radio programming to not lie.

Joe M.

 

[ThornyO5]

Kind of annyoys me too to be honest with you, when you say that a freq is for mutual aid and they don't change it. Wish I could fix the post.

 

[Voyager]

Kind of annyoys me too to be honest with you, when you say that a freq is for mutual aid and they don't change it. Wish I could fix the post.

With Westmoreland County, you have to be VERY careful using that phrase. The largest EMS provider in the county is Mutual Aid Ambulance Service. How else would you refer to them? That's THEIR LEGAL NAME! They have TGs assigned just to them. (although they don't use them much)

Joe M.

 

[poltergeisty]

I too have posted info. and had it replaced with something else. Oh well looks like I just benefit to what the talk group is. 8)

 

[ThornyO5]

Kind of annyoys me too to be honest with you, when you say that a freq is for mutual aid and they don't change it. Wish I could fix the post.

With Westmoreland County, you have to be VERY careful using that phrase. The largest EMS provider in the county is Mutual Aid Ambulance Service. How else would you refer to them? That's THEIR LEGAL NAME! They have TGs assigned just to them. (although they don't use them much)

Joe M.

Umm, OK, I didn't even know there was a Westmoreland County utill last night. (I'm not talking about PA)

 

[WayneH]

I've made the change. After your first submission someone else posted a list and it included Fire TAC-1, so it was added back. I see no official-ness to that submission so out they go!

So what are the purposes of TG205 and TG210 then? Unassigned?

-Wayne

 

[Voyager]

I've made the change. After your first submission someone else posted a list and it included Fire TAC-1, so it was added back. I see no official-ness to that submission so out they go!

So what are the purposes of TG205 and TG210 then? Unassigned?

-Wayne

205 may be a zone command channel, but it is as yet unknown. I've had PRO96COM running on the system nearly continuous since late last year when they started putting users on the system, and in looking at 6 of the largest affiliation files, NOTHING has affiliated t0 TGs 205-210 yet (that's as in nothing to 205, 206, 207, 208, 209, or 210). So, they may be left for future expansion (more zones, maybe). The fact that no radio has affiliated to them means they most likely aren't in any radios - period.

I don't have a confirmation of the admin channels yet, as they are only in the XTS2500s and mobiles, not the XTS1500s. As soon as some mobiles get in the area, I will know for certain. 244 seems to be Zone 3's admin channel (confirmed only by the on the air discription of 'go to group B-1' which is where the admin channel is supposed to be (Zone B - ch 1).

201-204 should be the four zone command channels. I would EXPECT 20x to be zone x command, but so far only zones 2 and 3 have been heard, and although zone 2 command is TG 202, Zone 3 seems to be programmed as TG 201. (I haven't seen a zone 3 radio yet to confirm this, and it MAY change - or it may not.)

Zones 1 and 4 aren't online yet.

I know a good list for EMS is needed as well. I have the TGs descriptions in the radios, but haven't read an EMS portable yet to get TG/name correlations yet. If you want it, it is:

1 - EMS DISPATCH
2 - EMS TAC-2
3 - EMS TAC-3
4 - EMS TAC-4
5 - Medic Command 5 (Monsour Hospital)
6 - Medic Command 6 (Frick Hospital)
7 - Medic Command 7 (Jeanette Hospital)
8 - Medic Command 8 (Latrobe Area Hospital)
9 - Medic Command 9 (Westmoreland Regional Hospital)
10 - EMS Transfer channel
11 - EMS Admin channel (again, the yack TG)
12 - County Wide TAC-12 (same as fire/PD/ETC)
13 - County Wide TAC-13 (same as fire/PD/ETC)
14 - County Wide TAC-14 (same as fire/PD/ETC)
15 - County Wide TAC-15 (same as fire/PD/ETC)
16 - EMS Talkaround

Those SHOULD be TGs 251-262 in SOME order. (Yes, I know that's 12 TGs for 11 channels)

Mutual Aid EMS IS on different TGs (276 - 279, I think). They likely have all the standard EMS TGs, too. But, they are sticking with their VHF radio system.

Joe M.

 

[Voyager]

BTW, on the 'E' TGs you might want to make that 'D/E' if that is a valid option, as encryption is optional on those TGs that have encrtption options. (That somehow doesn't sound right, but I think you know what I mean).

The Public Safety TGs and the SO TGs are the only ones that usually (but not always) use encryption. The PDs have the option on those channels indicated, but rarely use it so far.

Joe M.