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gusbuster

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Something that I have noticed on private (businesses) radio systems and c.b.'s is people speaking a foreign language.Back in the day when I applied for my c.b. radio license I remember one of the rules was you couldn't speak anything but English. Has this changed? Is it something that is just ignored now a days?

Just curious is all.
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I remember hearing Spanish on CB back in the early 1970's (but that might have been skip). The rules of CB were never really followed, or enforced anyway. That's why they dropped the license requirement and just let it go. The only thing they will enforce is an interference complaint. Amateur radio used to be strictly enforced but there is a repeater in the LA area where foul language is the norm.

As for business I don't think there is a language requirement as long as the call sign is transmitted in English, but don't quote me on this.
 
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Part 95 (.pdf) ...
...section 95.119d1 (GMRS) is the only place the document uses the word "english".
...section 95.412a (CB) uses the words "plain language".

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ham comms 97.113 (4) says messages in codes or ciphers intended to obscure the meaning. A foreign language could be codes to you or me. I bring this up because I used to do cw, and with foreign hams, I sent cw in their language and got an OO notice as an interputation references 97.113 (4). I too thought as long as my id was in English, I was in the clear as far as rules go. I thought this was a stretch but didn't protest. It was simular to when I first got my license, and gave a smokey report on the local repeater. Under 97.113 (4) also, communications intended to facilate a criminal act, is a
 
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A foreign language does not meet the legal definition of a "code or cipher." An OO who sends a notice to an American ham using some other language in any mode needs to read the rules more carefully. Identification must be in English, but the rest of the QSO may be in any language the operator chooses.

FCC regulations specify that identification of licensed stations in various services must be in English if sent by voice.

Here are some relevant citations:

Marine Sect. 80.1181(b)(2)
Land Mobile Sect. 90.425(a)
GMRS Sect. 95.119(d)(1)
Amateur Sect. 97.119(b)(2)
 
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Analogy

Let's use an analogy here:

§97.311 SS emission types.

(a) SS emission transmissions by an amateur station are authorized only for communications between points within areas where the amateur service is regulated by the FCC and between an area where the amateur service is regulated by the FCC and an amateur station in another country that permits such communications. SS emission transmissions must not be used for the purpose of obscuring the meaning of any communication.

(b) A station transmitting SS emissions must not cause harmful interference to stations employing other authorized emissions, and must accept all interference caused by stations employing other authorized emissions.

(c) When deemed necessary by a District Director to assure compliance with this part, a station licensee must:

(1) Cease SS emission transmissions;

(2) Restrict SS emission transmissions to the extent instructed; and

(3) Maintain a record, convertible to the original information (voice, text, image, etc.) of all spread spectrum communications transmitted.

[64 FR 51471, Sept. 23, 1999, as amended at 76 FR 17569, Mar. 30, 2011]




Ok, enough Title 18 legalese:

There are two important points here:

1. The intent to obscure or obfuscate the meaning of a communications is the MENS REA that makes it prohibited.

2. Spread Spectrum communications does not even have a definition here for identity of the control and/or station license to be transmitted.


A pair of amateurs construct their own UHF SS transceivers. They operate in the 420 to 440 MHz band carefully avoiding the weak signal satellite segments. How would they ID?

1. Go to 446.000000 Mhz in FM and ID
2. Add a control plane signal that identifies their call sign
3. Don't ID at all?

What is the best answer?

2. Add an imbedded signal that identifies their call sign.

All stations are required to ID except for space operation telecommand and remote control vehicles.
So some method must be utilized for compliance with the rules.

Listening to an analog radio can you discern the call sign of any digital communications by ear? No you can't although you might be able to ascertain the protocol type by sound.

If the call sign is included in the digital stream, then that is an efficacious ID.

DStar IDs in the control plane repeatedly, so when you key the mike you are transmitting an ID.

Here are the points:

1. Are you attempting to obscure the meaning of your transmissions? If so it is prohibited, no matter how you spin it.

2. Communications in any language or protocol are OK if you DO NOT HAVE THE INTENT of obscuring the meaning of the communications.

3. You may ID by the methods listed in the rules and the call sign must be in ENGLISH (phone or CW) if it is telephony.

4. Languages other than ENGLISH are currently permissible for US amateurs, as long as the call sign is in ENGLISH or imbedded in the content and/or control plane in the case of a digital mode.

That OO needs remedial training.

Craig
 
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DaveNF2G

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Let's use an analogy here:

An emission mode is not analogous to a language.

[64 FR 51471, Sept. 23, 1999, as amended at 76 FR 17569, Mar. 30, 2011]

Assuming this is still in effect, then it should be citable to the Code of Federal Regulations. A Federal Register citation is good for archival references, but not usually employed for current information.

Ok, enough Title 18 legalese:

FCC regulations are not in Title 18 of anything. They are in Title 47 of the Code of Federal Regulations. "Title 18" is usually used in reference to Title 18 of the United States Code, which contains federal criminal statutes.
 
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