Indiana's 25-foot buffer zone law challenged in court

[scannerboy02]

When two egos like this collide, the "LEO ego" is likely to win.

I guess that depends on your definition of "win". While the officer may "win" the day if the officers ego caused them to violate the law that ego is likely not going to "win" in the end.

 

[scannerboy02]

scanner traffic has been used to target them with bullets over the years

Can you (or anyone else) point me to documentation of this kind of incident.

While I have heard of this possibly occuring I have not yet been able to locate any true documentation of its occurrence. As part of a project I am working on (that I will publish when completed) I am in the process of gathering documentation of incidents that would show the positive and negative sides of public access to public safety radio communications.

I have a fair amount of documentation currently but as of now most of the positive documentation is of actual incidents while the negative documentation seems to be from hypothetical or suspected incidents. I really need to get some documentation of actual negative incidents.

I do have documents that reference suspect(s) being arrested while monitoring radio communications but in those incidents the monitoring of radio communications didn't prevent the suspect(s) from being arrested so even those incidents wouldn't really be a negative or show some kind of actual need for encryption.

 

[ladn]

It has become a thing for people to monitor radio traffic and respond to the scene to record what's happening. This is one way that the public can become active in their government, the mainstream media has been doing this since the beginning. With advances in technology now just about anyone can commit acts of journalism which results in people being exposed to more information about what the police are doing and the police don't like that so they are taking steps to prevent it.

I had a very long career as a professional, credentialed, news photographer employed by traditional print media outlets. I've monitored uncountable hours of law enforcement/fire/emergency radio traffic. I take considerable issue with today's "citizen journalists" or "1st Amendment Montors".

There's nothing wrong with passive monitoring -- but acting on what you've monitored by placing oneself at the scene is entirely different. There's a certain degree of professionalism, based on training and experience, involved when you show up at an emergency situation. Many of the "citizen journalists" I encountered were clueless as to scene protocols or situational awareness. They got in the way of emergency workers and professional media folks, and put their own safety at risk.

Professional journalists are trained to be non-biased and fair in their coverage while many of the independent/citizen journalists aren't and are more interested in asserting their 1st Amendment rights with a heavy hand than gathering information, resulting in reduced access for everyone and reduced cooperation from emergency workers.

 

[scannerboy02]

I had a very long career as a professional, credentialed, news photographer employed by traditional print media outlets. I've monitored uncountable hours of law enforcement/fire/emergency radio traffic. I take considerable issue with today's "citizen journalists" or "1st Amendment Montors".

There's nothing wrong with passive monitoring -- but acting on what you've monitored by placing oneself at the scene is entirely different. There's a certain degree of professionalism, based on training and experience, involved when you show up at an emergency situation. Many of the "citizen journalists" I encountered were clueless as to scene protocols or situational awareness. They got in the way of emergency workers and professional media folks, and put their own safety at risk.

Professional journalists are trained to be non-biased and fair in their coverage while many of the independent/citizen journalists aren't and are more interested in asserting their 1st Amendment rights with a heavy hand than gathering information, resulting in reduced access for everyone and reduced cooperation from emergency workers.

April of last year was my 30th anniversary as a professional news photographer with 10 of those years being with "main stream" outlets.

I do agree with much of what you said but I also believe that more "eyes" are better. Yes, no one should be intentionally getting in the way and if they are they should be dealt with appropriately, but presence alone does not always equal interference.

 

[KC9NEG]

Professional journalists are trained to be non-biased and fair in their coverage...

It's a shame they all aren't.

 

[scannerboy02]

It's a shame they all aren't.

Biased journalist are like dirty cops, they make the others look bad. At least with a journalist you can ignore them, with a cop...

 

[prcguy]

Does that mean you cannot jump in to help an officer in trouble? Bystanders have been fined and imprisoned for failure to aid an officer.

You can ask if the officer needs help and they will let you know, otherwise don't interfere. A friend of mine, a Los Angeles County Sheriff was telling stories of arrests he's made and in one case he was alone and not able to subdue a big suspect and it was getting out of hand. A tow truck driver stopped and asked if he needed help and I think he said you are hereby deputized and the tow truck driver jumped in and got the guy under control.

 

[ind224]

If you think for a minute Indiana police care about laws or correctly enforcing laws check out David Bisard, Jamie Noel, and Javel Richards.
Indiana's finest my eye, above the law in many cases. Like demoted IMPD Police Chief Taylor who has yet to do the right thing and resign; it has been over a year.....

 

[RFI-EMI-GUY]

If you think for a minute Indiana police care about laws or correctly enforcing laws check out David Bisard, Jamie Noel, and Javel Richards.
Indiana's finest my eye, above the law in many cases. Like demoted IMPD Police Chief Taylor who has yet to do the right thing and resign; it has been over a year.....

Well you drove me into the rabbit hole of Hoosier Neo-grifters. My father was a Hoosier and it was apparently a much different era than what I was exposed to.

Former sheriff whose property was searched in Noel case has lengthy law enforcement, political career

Dec. 14—CLARK COUNTY — A former sheriff and current head of the Scott County Republican Party, Kenny Hughbanks is widely known in Southern Indiana politics. His name was prominently featured in court documents released Thursday afternoon related to the criminal case against former Clark County...

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Documents: Jamey Noel spent thousands on Reds tickets, golf in Florida, restaurants post-arrest

New search warrants released Monday shed light on how much Noel spent on UTVFA credit cards after his arrest, and what he purchased.

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[RFI-EMI-GUY]

It’s a song by the police. Don’t scan so, don’t scan so, don’t scan so close to me.

Oh that STINGs!!

 

[RFI-EMI-GUY]

Encryption is about police officer safety. They are targets of the criminal class of people. I have enjoyed police & fire scanning for decades, but I know scanner traffic has been used to target them with bullets over the years. As much as I hate it, I understand why the police want to use it for protection. I wish we didn't live in such a world, but we do. IMHO.

I think you would be hard pressed to find more than one or two examples of that. I can think of none. There have been arson's to draw out fire trucks and gunfire ensued. However those were during some ongoing riots.