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Take it easy on me.. definite beginner. I have spent money on basic cheap radios just trying to listen to local activity. Only to find out none are p25 capable.. I honestly do not even know if the area in which I am listening to is p25 phase 1 or 2? I didnt know what p25 was until today. I am located in Grayson County Texas. Some are still fm but most are p25 something.. phase 1 or 2. I am just trying to find the best deal I can on one that can listen to these. Used doesnt matter to me. I was told ONLY Uniden, Whistler, and Motorola have these capabilities. Can anyone point me in the right direction. Between programming cost and others, I may just need to spend the extra money, but for a small hobby/info gatherer, I would rather spend as little as possible. Thanks for any help.
 

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Take it easy on me.. definite beginner. I have spent money on basic cheap radios just trying to listen to local activity. Only to find out none are p25 capable.. I honestly do not even know if the area in which I am listening to is p25 phase 1 or 2? I didnt know what p25 was until today. I am located in Grayson County Texas. Some are still fm but most are p25 something.. phase 1 or 2. I am just trying to find the best deal I can on one that can listen to these. Used doesnt matter to me. I was told ONLY Uniden, Whistler, and Motorola have these capabilities. Can anyone point me in the right direction. Between programming cost and others, I may just need to spend the extra money, but for a small hobby/info gatherer, I would rather spend as little as possible. Thanks for any help.

Most importantly I guess I am wondering whether the first responders in my area, Grayson County, Tx, are using p25 phase 1 or 2? Obviously, phase 2 is a better long run investment but I'm sure phase 3 will be out soon enough.

If RR says p25 only with no e or e for encryption, how do you determine if the p25 is phase 1 or 2?
 

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Its says p25 by most of the city and county police? So any basic digital will work? I thought if it said p25 you had to have either phase 1 or 2 capable device dependent on what phase the department was? Again, I'm brand new, so just clarifying.. I dont want to keep buying ones that dont pick up.
 

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Its says p25 by most of the city and county police? So any basic digital will work? I thought if it said p25 you had to have either phase 1 or 2 capable device dependent on what phase the department was? Again, I'm brand new, so just clarifying.. I dont want to keep buying ones that dont pick up.

If it is a trunking system it would be either P25 Phase l or Phase ll. In your case its Conv mode no trunking and a basic digital radio will work. Now if you want to see Unit ID depends what scanner you get.
 

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Its says p25 by most of the city and county police? So any basic digital will work? I thought if it said p25 you had to have either phase 1 or 2 capable device dependent on what phase the department was? Again, I'm brand new, so just clarifying.. I dont want to keep buying ones that dont pick up.
As bravo14 already noted, Grayson County is using conventional (non-trunked) channels at this time. So, any digital scanner is capable of receiving them. I would not look any farther back than Uniden's XT series, or fhe GRE PSR500 series for a scanner. Those models allow you to enter the NAC code, which can help you avoid interference from other users on the same frequency. That is especially true on TX DPS, which is conventional P25 as well, uses some of the same frequencies at multiple sites in the region. To narrow those down to what is in your specific area, the NAC code is needed.

Collin County, to your south, is in the process of converting to P25 Phase II, and will be joining PAWM, the system used by Plano, Allen, and a few more cities. Denton County, to your southwest, is now using a P25 Phase II system. If neither of those interest you, and you do not travel a great deal, then a P25 Phase I scanner is all you need for your county, as well as Cooke (to your west), and Fannin to your east.

P25 Phase I models that would work for you (and can utilize the NAC code) include:
Uniden Models There may be a few new units in dealers’ leftover stock, but these are primarily are going to be found in the previously owned markets, such as the Classifieds here on RadioReference, on eBay or Craig’s List, other online sites, garage or estate sales, or pawn shops.
Uniden BCD396XT (Handheld)
Uniden BCD996XT (Base/Mobile)
Uniden HomePatrol-1 (Base/Mobile)

These units are capable of P25 Phase I only. No Phase II nor DMR upgrade is possible.
GRE manufactured scanners (Discontinued, GRE shut down several years ago):
GRE PSR-500 (Handheld)
GRE PSR-600 (Base/Mobile)
RadioShack PRO-106 (Handheld)
RadioShack PRO-197 (Base/Mobile)

The above were manufactured by GRE, which has ceased production and disbanded.

Whistler P25 Phase I capable (No DMR or Phase II upgrade available.)
WS1040 (Handheld)
WS1065 (Base/Mobile)
These are still in production. RadioShack sold a relabeled WS1040 as the Pro-651, and their version of the WS1065 was the Pro-652.

If you do want Phase II capability, either for your neighbors to your south and southwest, or because you sometimes travel to larger metro areas where Phase II trunked systems are used, then you'd need to start with one of these:
Current Model Uniden:
Note that ALL of the scanners below will receive P25 Phase I & P25 Phase II signals. All (except the HomePatrol-2) can utilize paid upgrades to receive DMR systems, NXDN, or ProVoice.

Uniden BCD436HP (Handheld)
Uniden BCD536HP (Base/Mobile)
Uniden BCD325P2 (Handheld)
Uniden BCD996P2 (Base Mobile)
Uniden SDS100 (Handheld)
Uniden SDS200 (Base/Mobile)

Uniden Home Patrol 2
This model can be used as a desktop scanner, or with optional available mounts, used in a vehicle. While not really designed as a ‘true handheld scanner’, it does run on batteries and can be carried in a coat pocket or in a small belt tool holster.

Current Model Whistler:
All of the scanners in this group can receive P25 Phase I & P25 Phase II signals. These also can utilize a free upgrade for receiving DMR systems.

WS1088 (Handheld) Has keypad.
WS1098 (Base/Mobile) Has keypad and a detachable head for mobile installations.

TRX-1 (Handheld) Has keypad.
TRX-2 (Base/Mobile) Has keypad and a detachable head for mobile installations.
The TRX-1 & TRX-2 also have an available free upgrade to enable reception of NXDN systems.

Previous Whistler Models that are also P25 Phase I & P25 Phase II capable, also have a free DMR upgrade:
WS1080 (Handheld) (Same as the WS1088, except lacking the numeric keypad)
WS1095 (Base/Mobile) (Same as the WS1098, except lacking the numeric keypad)

These scanners have a paid upgrade available through Whistler, to make them DMR capable, as well as P25 Phase I & Phase II (all except the Pro-18 were already Phase II capable). This upgrade also makes them eligible for support from Whistler. All are discontinued units. Also see this RadioReference thread.

GRE PSR-800 (Handheld)
RadioShack PRO-18 (Handheld)
Radio Shack Pro-668 (Handheld)
 

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Jfoster903,
Something to add to your scanner when you get it for when the weather gets 'sporty'. Add Collin and Denton as the weather typically comes up from that direction, but I'm not sure you will be able to hear them. You don't need to program the Tone for receive. Looks like Cooke does not have any amateur's in the county. :-(

https://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?ctid=2613&tab=ham
 

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As bravo14 already noted, Grayson County is using conventional (non-trunked) channels at this time. So, any digital scanner is capable of receiving them. I would not look any farther back than Uniden's XT series, or fhe GRE PSR500 series for a scanner. Those models allow you to enter the NAC code, which can help you avoid interference from other users on the same frequency. That is especially true on TX DPS, which is conventional P25 as well, uses some of the same frequencies at multiple sites in the region. To narrow those down to what is in your specific area, the NAC code is needed.

Collin County, to your south, is in the process of converting to P25 Phase II, and will be joining PAWM, the system used by Plano, Allen, and a few more cities. Denton County, to your southwest, is now using a P25 Phase II system. If neither of those interest you, and you do not travel a great deal, then a P25 Phase I scanner is all you need for your county, as well as Cooke (to your west), and Fannin to your east.

P25 Phase I models that would work for you (and can utilize the NAC code) include:
Uniden Models There may be a few new units in dealers’ leftover stock, but these are primarily are going to be found in the previously owned markets, such as the Classifieds here on RadioReference, on eBay or Craig’s List, other online sites, garage or estate sales, or pawn shops.
Uniden BCD396XT (Handheld)
Uniden BCD996XT (Base/Mobile)
Uniden HomePatrol-1 (Base/Mobile)

These units are capable of P25 Phase I only. No Phase II nor DMR upgrade is possible.
GRE manufactured scanners (Discontinued, GRE shut down several years ago):
GRE PSR-500 (Handheld)
GRE PSR-600 (Base/Mobile)
RadioShack PRO-106 (Handheld)
RadioShack PRO-197 (Base/Mobile)

The above were manufactured by GRE, which has ceased production and disbanded.

Whistler P25 Phase I capable (No DMR or Phase II upgrade available.)
WS1040 (Handheld)
WS1065 (Base/Mobile)
These are still in production. RadioShack sold a relabeled WS1040 as the Pro-651, and their version of the WS1065 was the Pro-652.

If you do want Phase II capability, either for your neighbors to your south and southwest, or because you sometimes travel to larger metro areas where Phase II trunked systems are used, then you'd need to start with one of these:
Current Model Uniden:
Note that ALL of the scanners below will receive P25 Phase I & P25 Phase II signals. All (except the HomePatrol-2) can utilize paid upgrades to receive DMR systems, NXDN, or ProVoice.

Uniden BCD436HP (Handheld)
Uniden BCD536HP (Base/Mobile)
Uniden BCD325P2 (Handheld)
Uniden BCD996P2 (Base Mobile)
Uniden SDS100 (Handheld)
Uniden SDS200 (Base/Mobile)

Uniden Home Patrol 2
This model can be used as a desktop scanner, or with optional available mounts, used in a vehicle. While not really designed as a ‘true handheld scanner’, it does run on batteries and can be carried in a coat pocket or in a small belt tool holster.

Current Model Whistler:
All of the scanners in this group can receive P25 Phase I & P25 Phase II signals. These also can utilize a free upgrade for receiving DMR systems.

WS1088 (Handheld) Has keypad.
WS1098 (Base/Mobile) Has keypad and a detachable head for mobile installations.

TRX-1 (Handheld) Has keypad.
TRX-2 (Base/Mobile) Has keypad and a detachable head for mobile installations.
The TRX-1 & TRX-2 also have an available free upgrade to enable reception of NXDN systems.

Previous Whistler Models that are also P25 Phase I & P25 Phase II capable, also have a free DMR upgrade:
WS1080 (Handheld) (Same as the WS1088, except lacking the numeric keypad)
WS1095 (Base/Mobile) (Same as the WS1098, except lacking the numeric keypad)

These scanners have a paid upgrade available through Whistler, to make them DMR capable, as well as P25 Phase I & Phase II (all except the Pro-18 were already Phase II capable). This upgrade also makes them eligible for support from Whistler. All are discontinued units. Also see this RadioReference thread.

GRE PSR-800 (Handheld)
RadioShack PRO-18 (Handheld)
Radio Shack Pro-668 (Handheld)


Thank you for your reply, very good info. So if I was to get a motorola xts5000, can it be easily programmed to the frequencies in my area using FPP? Also, would I need a GMRS fcc license?
 

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If it is a trunking system it would be either P25 Phase l or Phase ll. In your case its Conv mode no trunking and a basic digital radio will work. Now if you want to see Unit ID depends what scanner you get.


Is conventional DMR? If the radio/scanner has DMR capabilities can I pick up Sherman, Denison, and Grayson County Sherrif?
 

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Is conventional DMR? If the radio/scanner has DMR capabilities can I pick up Sherman, Denison, and Grayson County Sherrif?
Currently, I don't see any DMR usage in your county for public safety agencies. However, the scanners that have DMR capability (requires a paid upgrade with Uniden scanners) can also receive P25 conventional, which is used by Grayson County on certain frequencies (including the Sheriff's Office), as well as Sherman and Denison PD & FD. Conventional channels can be any of the valid formats- P25, DMR, NXDN, or analog. The DMR capable scanners can also receive P25 Phase I or Phase II trunked systems. You don'y have those in Grayson County, but do in Collin and Denton counties.

See this webpage to search for DMR and NXDN licensees in your county. Remember that the search will only show you which agencies and companies are licensed to use the DMR or NXDN formats. That does not guarantee that DMR, or NXDN, is in use, only that they can use it if so desired. I see several school districts that may be using DMR. That's pretty common here in Dallas/Fort Worth, but I have no means to confirm if the ones in your county are actually using DMR at this time.

The Megahertz trunking system, which is DMR, does have a couple of sites in your area (Howe & Denison). That system is used for dispatching CareFlite medical helicopters in the region. CareFlite is based in Gainesville, in Cook County, and CareFlite 4 is stationed in McKinney. These are quite active in the north central Texas area, responding to accident scenes, and transferring patients from the outlying medical centers to the trauma and critical care hospitals in Dallas, Fort Worth, and Plano.
 

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Can a baofeng dmr radio pick up the Sherman, denison, and gc sherriff p25?
I was hoping that someone who is more familiar with those would answer. I don't have one, and no need to buy one. Doing a quick search, a model that does DMR, according to the specs and the manual, does not do P25 (digital). (That was just one specific model I viewed on Amazon.)

A model that I found that would handle P25 apparently cannot receive DMR. But again that's just a model that popped up on a quick search.

To get a more specific answer on Baofeng, you may need to ask in this forum. Just keep in mind that if you choose a transceiver, over a scanner, make sure that it cannot transmit on any of the public safety fequencies. If it does, an accidental transmission could bring trouble to your door. Also remember that if you think you might want the ability to hear the trunked systems in Denton or Collin County, you will not find a Bafeng that can receive them.
 
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