Just Picked Up Kenilworth FD on 451.2375 DMR Color Code 6

[Scannerfreak6743]

I am very baffled, but have been scanning the business bands and just picked up Kenilworth FD doing a pager test on 451.2375 DMR Color Code 6. The TG was 1600003 (there may have been more zeros in the middle). Any ideas what they are doing on that frequency? Not seeing any active license for KW on the frequency either.

 

[Scannerfreak6743]

For those interested, they did this pager test at 10am on Mon morning. I will try and monitor again this morning at the same time to see if it is done daily on this frequency.

 

[rr60]

Yes, lots of zeros in that TG. EMS just tested same TG, CC 6 S2, not certain if this is a Capacity Plus or similar. Some work to do yet. “Control” was testing.

 

[Scannerfreak6743]

Ok, just recorded the transmission. The exact TG is 160000003, CC6, Slot 2 confirmed. Scanner shows it is a single frequency DMR, not Cap Plus or anything Trunked.

After some more research, Schering Plough in Kenilworth, which is now renamed as Merck did have a license for this frequency that expired back in 2013. Perhaps Kenilworth FD just uses this frequency in coordination with Merck for paging purposes? I would love to submit to the DB, but not quite sure if it should be entered into the RR DB as Merck (in the business section) or under Kenilworth?

 

[GTR8000]

I would love to submit to the DB, but not quite sure if it should be entered into the RR DB as Merck (in the business section) or under Kenilworth?

Actual usage matters more than who holds (or held) the license. Since the license is long expired, it's a bit of a moot point, however if the frequency is indeed being used by Kenilworth for their own purposes, then it's a public safety channel that belongs under the borough's listings in Union County.

 

[ecps92]

Ok, just recorded the transmission. The exact TG is 160000003, CC6, Slot 2 confirmed. Scanner shows it is a single frequency DMR, not Cap Plus or anything Trunked.

After some more research, Schering Plough in Kenilworth, which is now renamed as Merck did have a license for this frequency that expired back in 2013. Perhaps Kenilworth FD just uses this frequency in coordination with Merck for paging purposes? I would love to submit to the DB, but not quite sure if it should be entered into the RR DB as Merck (in the business section) or under Kenilworth?

Schering Plough had their own Fire Brigade/EMS - so maybe MERK kept it and is patching to the company channel for their members situational awareness?? Only a tourist to da Gahden State, so just a WAG on my end and only by monitoring more and someone being near-by (close-call) or an insider can confirm

Also did you happen to look in neighboring counties to see if the local radio shop/renter has this freq ?
I've seen some of them patch into the DMR Trunk just to create a system load or even the Tech belongs to that FD/EMS....(just again my WAG)

 

[rr60]

Ok, just recorded the transmission. The exact TG is 160000003, CC6, Slot 2 confirmed. Scanner shows it is a single frequency DMR, not Cap Plus or anything Trunked.

After some more research, Schering Plough in Kenilworth, which is now renamed as Merck did have a license for this frequency that expired back in 2013. Perhaps Kenilworth FD just uses this frequency in coordination with Merck for paging purposes? I would love to submit to the DB, but not quite sure if it should be entered into the RR DB as Merck (in the business section) or under Kenilworth?

I caught the 10am test on autopilot. I looked at licenses several different ways. No possible match in Union County. I too saw the 10 year old expired license of Schering. Looked at a Statewide run too. Nothing. Plenty of discussion about Kenilworth being on NJICS including my fuzzy memory. Is there a radio that does both PII and DMR? Is this multicast or secondary or primary? Time will tell.

 

[GTR8000]

I haven't seen anyone mention 472.725 and what, if any, correlation there is between that and this 451.2375.

And yes, there are multi-mode radios, specifically the Kenwood NX-5x00 series and EFJ Viking VP8000.

 

[kf8yk]

451.2375 is in the low power industrial pool, 20 W max and below 75' AGL for base/repeater, 6 W max for a mobile.

Seems unlikely for any kind of wide area use. I'm guessing the renewal of KNHW889 got misplaced in the Schering/Merck merger.

 

[rr60]

Schering Plough had their own Fire Brigade/EMS - so maybe MERK kept it and is patching to the company channel for their members situational awareness?? Only a tourist to da Gahden State, so just a WAG on my end and only by monitoring more and someone being near-by (close-call) or an insider can confirm

Also did you happen to look in neighboring counties to see if the local radio shop/renter has this freq ?
I've seen some of them patch into the DMR Trunk just to create a system load or even the Tech belongs to that FD/EMS....(just again my WAG)

@ecps92 WAG perhaps….

Seems like company chatter today, alarms In trouble and heat detectors in various buildings. Big clue “Rahway Control” this may indeed be Merck Fire Brigade or something similar. Kenilworth FD tone pair on DMR is 524/313.

 

[rr60]

The most simple answer, is the most likely. This is the Fire Brigade of the new “Merck“ at the Kenilworth campus. The license has expired. I do not see why Kenilworth FD would go through all the gymnastics. Yes there is some type of link to Kenilworth FD. Likely for convenience of dual members. @ecps92 takes home the prize🏆

 

[wtp]

WQNV700 - ACTAVIS ELIZABETH LLC ??

 

[ecps92]

The most simple answer, is the most likely. This is the Fire Brigade of the new “Merck“ at the Kenilworth campus. The license has expired. I do not see why Kenilworth FD would go through all the gymnastics. Yes there is some type of link to Kenilworth FD. Likely for convenience of dual members. @ecps92 takes home the prize🏆

True answer would be someone on-site/nearby

 

[Scannerfreak6743]

I submitted it to the DB as "Kenilworth FD Paging Tests". However the admins can feel free to change the wording how they see fit. Either way, this channel should be documented in the RR DB

 

[Scannerfreak6743]

I haven't seen anyone mention 472.725 and what, if any, correlation there is between that and this 451.2375.

And yes, there are multi-mode radios, specifically the Kenwood NX-5x00 series and EFJ Viking VP8000.

472.725 is no longer used. Kenilworth FD operates on NJICS.

Please re-submit 451.2375 to the DB, without that extra "0" in the middle as their TG. It was hard to count the exact number of zeroes in that TG. I must have added one more "0" by mistake in my initial submission.

 

[GTR8000]

So the volunteer fire dept is not paged out over 472.725? How are they alerted, then, by the county over 453.150?

I'm not convinced that we have enough to add 451.2375 to the database just yet. I see mostly speculation in this thread, and no one has positively identified the location of the transmitter or who is hosting it/operating on it. It was also mentioned that there has been other activity heard on this frequency unrelated to Kenilworth FD's operations, making it even less probable that this is something hosted by the borough. That means it should not be listed under Kenilworth in the database, but rather needs to be listed under whatever business is using it, once that is identified.

Oh and it goes without saying that if Slot 2 is in use, Slot 1 may also be in use, and could be the key to identifying who this repeater belongs to. Keep monitoring/recording activity and once the user is identified, we can add it to the database. I'll hold the submission for the time being.

 

[Scannerfreak6743]

I haven't heard a peep on 472.725 MHz ever since they migrated to NJICS.

Regarding 451 MHz, they clearly ID themselves as "Kenilworth FD" when they do their daily pager test at 10am. Therefore it is an absolute fact they are using that frequency, but as to why or for what purpose exactly (aside from pager tests) is a mystery. I will post the youtube video link I created here showing exactly what happens on this frequency ever day at 10am. I hope this helps

 

[Scannerfreak6743]

Ecps92, not sure what you find so funny about my post. Just stating the facts buddy with video proof.

 

[GTR8000]

Alright, relax, no reason to get defensive. The listing has been added, although I'm still skeptical about who is using this and for what purpose. I'm also curious why they abandoned 472.725 for paging, and if they moved to another channel that no one has noted, or if they're using a different means of alerting like text messaging. Or if this DMR repeater is going to be the new paging channel.

Lots of questions still need answering, so let's try not to simply be content with it being listed in the RRDB and walk away from it. We have far too many listings over the years that make it into the database and never amount to much.

 

[ecps92]

I haven't heard a peep on 472.725 MHz ever since they migrated to NJICS.

Regarding 451 MHz, they clearly ID themselves as "Kenilworth FD" when they do their daily pager test at 10am. Therefore it is an absolute fact they are using that frequency, but as to why or for what purpose exactly (aside from pager tests) is a mystery. I will post the youtube video link I created here showing exactly what happens on this frequency ever day at 10am. I hope this helps

Just because you heard them ID as xyz doesn't mean the Licensee is xyz

Ecps92, not sure what you find so funny about my post. Just stating the facts buddy with video proof.

As others have pointed out, including this tourist, that this may not (despite what you verbally are hearing) actually be KFD, but a patch from KFD to a Private Fire Brigade. Much Much more on-scene/local observations are needed to positively confirm

You need to relax a little - stress kills