la county fire 200 series engines

[ActionJackson]

New "Two" Car coming April 15th, 2015. Quint 86 will move to FS064 and become Quint 64 and Engine 264 will move to FS086 and become...

You guessed it, Engine 286. So, kinda of the bait and switch. Still have only three "Two" cars left.

E236
E244
E286

And no, 9's is not a "Two" car as they have their own district but they're used for move-ups and Strike Teams.

 

[Eng74]

Was the switch due to contract or to move a truck to a more center of response area?

 

[ActionJackson]

Was the switch due to contract or to move a truck to a more center of response area?

Tiller Truck won't fit in Station 86 !

 

[PaulNDaOC]

Action,

Does the county still designate engines as being funded by the district or general fund?

I remember from the 70's there was a seperation, E64 and (E86 I think) were F&FW rigs and the truck and E264 Consolidated.

Speaking of the 70's, I never heard the term "2-car" back then, it must have come along some time after then.

 

[ActionJackson]

The Forestry and Fire Warden and the Consolidated Fire Protection District were merged during the P. Michael Freeman years and now is the County of Los Angeles Fire Protection District. One fund for the Special District separate from the County's general fund. Other than the county tax base there are cities that contract with us and drop money into the coffer. The "Two Cars" were actually the district (area) rig and the Consolidated rig was the second engine, usually used for coverage and such. It's reversed now after the merger.

 

[disp10]

Saw E299 listed on a mutual aid response into LA City today. Incident was at Osborne and Foothill at 14:06. New unit? Mistake?

 

[ActionJackson]

Test MDC. We're having issues with MDCs locking up when comm plans are issued before units go en route. Looking for a fix.

 

[disp10]

Test MDC. We're having issues with MDCs locking up when comm plans are issued before units go en route. Looking for a fix.

Somehow I knew you would have the answer. Thank you!

 

[PaulNDaOC]

I heard Engine 208 sent on a move-up a few days ago, was I hearing things?

 

[ActionJackson]

Nope, you heard right !

Unit History For E208 From: 05/18/15 00:00:00 To: 05/18/15 23:59:59

/1032 (******) *MOVE T/MOVEUP [MOVING TO Q/LAC058]

 

[PaulNDaOC]

Anybody have any idea why Q159 and Q162 were moved and are now Q158 and Q161 respectively.

I was just beginning to get used to the idea of having three adjoining stations needing to have truck companies (also LF170) so the County could justify using fire district monies to subsidize 'contract cities'?
(County pays six of the post positions per shift)

Yeh, I guess it's a sore subject with me.

 

[ActionJackson]

Strategic re-positioning. Three trucks next to each other is a logistical nightmare and is a poor use of resources. Spread the wealth ! (and still meet the "cities" demands for coverage)

 

[PaulNDaOC]

Strategic re-positioning. Three trucks next to each other is a logistical nightmare and is a poor use of resources. Spread the wealth ! (and still meet the "cities" demands for)

The location of LF170 wreaks of .by the district

Since two trucks were already at adjacent stations, 170's appears to be a build up of bodies in Inglewood to impress the city council at 50 percent off, while claiming a benefit to 14's area that didn't exist with E214.

Another extreme oddity I would love to see explained is why 75 percent of E193 is paid for by the district.

My concern is there is a lot of discounting that always seems to benefit contract cities while none of the contracts collect payment for first-in services that contract cities receive from district units such as S101 in 186's area.

The county auditor noted a reduction of over 20 percent to contract cities of resources located in those cities, and requested better explanations in future contract or renewals years ago, and this does not happen.

 

[f40ph]

Any chance we can get back on the communications topic rather than concerns about contract city fire protection?

 

[PaulNDaOC]

Any chance we can get back on the communications topic rather than concerns about contract city fire protection?

I appreciate what your saying, and I apologize for drifting too far off into the abyss..

 

[avascan522]

Too funny..."Two" cars. A lot of depts call their rigs "cars". FDNY probably was first with that. Their engineers are still called chauffers or "shofes" for short. Here's my list;

E208 (stand alone engine til the creation of the Light Force in early 90's)
E209 (became E236 when Huntington Park came to the County)
E214 (Old E54 til new station built on 108th in early 70's. Became E170 when Inglewood came over.)
E216 (was E9 til 1994. 2+1+6= 9 ! Renumbered back to E9 in 2009 in honor of Jimmy Howe)
E225 (Became E325. See below)
E227 (disbanded when E89 shut down. Funding became S27)
E233 (Call engine moved to 117 and became E317)
E236 ("Two" car out of 36's. Funded by City of Carson. Was E209, see above)
E241 (Was E252 til 52's closed down. Funding became E148)
(There was no E243. City of Industry built and paid for station on Azusa/Gale and funded E118)
E244 (Original district rig for Duarte. Became "Two" car when F&FW and District consolidated)
E245 (Became E122)
E250 (Was E89)
E252 (Became E241. See above)
E254 (Was E52. Moved to 54's when 52's closed)
E255 (Call engine on Catalina)
E260 (Old "Cornbinder" housed at former FS060. Retired long ago.)
E263 (Was E160 from Maywood. Became E363. Disbanded and funding became S163 late 70's)
E264 (Original district rig for San Dimas. Became "Two" car when F&FW and District consolidated)
E265 (Original district rig for Agoura. Became E65 when E65 moved to 89's to become E89)
E269 (Call engine in Topanga)
E270 ("Two car at 70's. Seasonal engine at FS099 til fully became E99)
E271 (Call engine in Corral Canyon)
E273 (Became E126)
E279 (Was E93 call engine)
E282 (Was district rig for La Canada. Became "Two" car when F&FW and district consolidated. Became
part of "Light Force 82 in early to mid 90's
E307 (Became Q104)
E317 (Was E233. Call engine out of FS117)
E325 (Became Q125)
E329 (Haz Mat engine for Haz Mat 129)
E373 (Old FWD brush rig out of FS073 retired long ago)
E382 (Old FWD brush rig out of FS082 retired long ago)

I think that's about it. Lemme know

Interesting thing about 255 and the Catalina rigs is that as of now, the Captain and Engineer that staff station 55 often assign callsigns to themselves rather than the rig they are driving. For example, when the Engineer rolls to a call, he calls himself "Patrol 55" regardless of which rig hes driving (which could be the Patrol or the Command (Suburban)).

If they roll to a fire call, Engine 255 is usually the engine that they will take first, since it is newer and has a larger water tank than E55. Although when they identify on the radio, they will say "Engine 55" rather than 255. The only time they tell the truth is when both engines roll, such as for a fire or aircraft crash.
There is also a secondary Patrol (255). With this, they moved Patrol 55 out to the Isthmus, and kept Patrol 255 in Avalon. Not sure what happened to Patrol 155. Could be out for maintenance or replacement. BTW, P255 is a permanent fixture, with decals and all.

 

[jrholm]

Interesting thing about 255 and the Catalina rigs is that as of now, the Captain and Engineer that staff station 55 often assign callsigns to themselves rather than the rig they are driving. For example, when the Engineer rolls to a call, he calls himself "Patrol 55" regardless of which rig hes driving (which could be the Patrol or the Command (Suburban)).

If they roll to a fire call, Engine 255 is usually the engine that they will take first, since it is newer and has a larger water tank than E55. Although when they identify on the radio, they will say "Engine 55" rather than 255. The only time they tell the truth is when both engines roll, such as for a fire or aircraft crash.
There is also a secondary Patrol (255). With this, they moved Patrol 55 out to the Isthmus, and kept Patrol 255 in Avalon. Not sure what happened to Patrol 155. Could be out for maintenance or replacement. BTW, P255 is a permanent fixture, with decals and all.

12 + years ago Patrol 155 was a PCF/Voly that lived at Middle Ranch and worked for the Conservancy. The engineer has always gone by Patrol 55, irregardless of what he is in.

 

[PaulNDaOC]

I'm guessing the discrepancies may have something to do with how the on-duty guy logs into CAD for the shift to account for his presence.