Mick
Member
Hello! Saw this explanation at the Yahoo socalscan group today:
The LASD radio system basically operates in "half-duplex" mode where-in the
mobiles can not hear each other over the "downlink" transmitter. This system
has been utilized for about as long as I can remember (a very long time) and is
very traditional for the Sheriff's Dept. The reason is that it is thought that
the dispatchers can maintain better control over situations as they unfold,
especially those of an emergent or high adreneline nature. If ANY Deputy
requests, the dispatcher can activate the system into full duplex repeat mode at
their console with the push of a button. During normal operations, the
dispatcher basically "parrots" what the transmitting unit says so the other
units know what and where things are happening. The dispatchers are highly
trained and experienced in this proceedure and it generally works very well.
The "beep" tone is used, as has been noted previously, by the dispatcher to
indicate that A: there is a unit transmitting on one of the input channels the
dispatcher has up on the console ( often up to 3 or more different station
districts at the same time) and therefore ALL other units must not transmit
unless it's emergent. This is also the reason you may hear the same dispatcher
talking on more than one dispatch channel at the same time (all transmitters in
all the station districts that are up on the console are ALL put into simulcast
transmission whenever they key the push to talk switch). B: The dispatcher is
busy with something (running a plate, telephone to a station desk, etc) and is
not listening critically at that moment. C: the "busy" tone can be activated
to come on automatically whenever there is a unit transmitting on an input
channel.
Hope this helps to clairify the query.
Gene Thielman
Communications Technician
Los Angeles County Sheriff
Radio Services Section
The LASD radio system basically operates in "half-duplex" mode where-in the
mobiles can not hear each other over the "downlink" transmitter. This system
has been utilized for about as long as I can remember (a very long time) and is
very traditional for the Sheriff's Dept. The reason is that it is thought that
the dispatchers can maintain better control over situations as they unfold,
especially those of an emergent or high adreneline nature. If ANY Deputy
requests, the dispatcher can activate the system into full duplex repeat mode at
their console with the push of a button. During normal operations, the
dispatcher basically "parrots" what the transmitting unit says so the other
units know what and where things are happening. The dispatchers are highly
trained and experienced in this proceedure and it generally works very well.
The "beep" tone is used, as has been noted previously, by the dispatcher to
indicate that A: there is a unit transmitting on one of the input channels the
dispatcher has up on the console ( often up to 3 or more different station
districts at the same time) and therefore ALL other units must not transmit
unless it's emergent. This is also the reason you may hear the same dispatcher
talking on more than one dispatch channel at the same time (all transmitters in
all the station districts that are up on the console are ALL put into simulcast
transmission whenever they key the push to talk switch). B: The dispatcher is
busy with something (running a plate, telephone to a station desk, etc) and is
not listening critically at that moment. C: the "busy" tone can be activated
to come on automatically whenever there is a unit transmitting on an input
channel.
Hope this helps to clairify the query.
Gene Thielman
Communications Technician
Los Angeles County Sheriff
Radio Services Section
iepoker said:OK...
As for the beeps, I dont know of an actual answer to why they use them (yes, of course it is so officers... er, deputies dont step on one another.. but why not just use the repeater for what it was designed for??). I have been told by various people that they do it to conceal certain transmissions... but since the dispatcher basically repeats what she was just told, this argument does not hold water. This is how the system has been for decades... since the lowband days.
The reason you hear other stations on your channel is because of the call volume at Dispatch center. If it is really slow, then they will 'patch' one or more (sometimes 5!) channels to one dispatch consule. This has been done for decades. It is a supremely effective way of streamlining dispatch efficancy. So, if AltaDena is really slow, they will patch them to Carsons frequency and use one dispatcher for two persons jobs. I am sure Carson does not want to hear Altadenas calls... but it could be worse.
Most 'in progress' incidents are put into the repeater mode. So if you hear units talking to each other, something fun is happening.
483.5375 is *the* freq to listen to LASO... it is the Air/Swat/K9 channel, and most, if not ALL, serious incidents get dispathed on this channel... then you can switch over to where the actual incident is happening.
...I have been convinced for some time that all the weird radio prcedures used by this department (the beeps... switching to LTac to talk to your partner... etc) puts deputies at risk.