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Been looking at ham radios and other non ham radios for a real good HF rig that I can hook up to a external wire antenna. Looking at a Icom 718 and a Eaton 750 so far. I like a nice size knob to scroll through the frequencies. Anything better than what I’m looking at now?
 

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What's your budget?
Based on what they have their eyes on right now, I would say in the $400 (Eton Elite 750) and $600 (Icom 718) with no accessories range. Still it would be nice to hear from @bearcatrp in case the budget might be higher. They want a "real good HF rig" but did not say if they were a ham. Nowadays I would think at a minimum to have a computer interface, have a waterfall, and perhaps be a software defined radio (SDR) especially if they are a ham and will be transmitting with this radio. If they don't need the transmitter side, then I would suggest that we talk about a "real good receiver" for this application. No sense paying for parts that will not be used. Here is an Icom IC-R8500 Shortwave AM FM SSB Receiver for $800. While not the greatest price for a used receiver, it does show that some really sophisticated receivers are available around the general price range that the OP is looking at that can run circles around the Eton Elite 750. Just throwing out some ideas for thought...
 

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Here is an Icom IC-R8500 Shortwave AM FM SSB Receiver for $800. While not the greatest price for a used receiver, it does show that some really sophisticated receivers are available around the general price range that the OP is looking at that can run circles around the Eton Elite 750.
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Bigapple59 is a vendor I've purchased several radios from, and would do so again if I was in the market to do so. But, there is no room on the table at the moment. :) Another receiver I'd be looking for is the Icom IC-R75. Had one, foolishly sold it and bought a second one (from Bigapple59) and very glad I did. This second one was an earlier model with the Synchronous AM and I had to add the DSP unit. It's been to Kiwa for the SAM upgrade. I've seen prices on the R75 anywhere from $550.00 to $650.00.

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Bigapple59 is a vendor I've purchased several radios from, and would do so again if I was in the market to do so. But, there is no room on the table at the moment. :) Another receiver I'd be looking for is the Icom IC-R75. Had one, foolishly sold it and bought a second one (from Bigapple59) and very glad I did. This second one was an earlier model with the Synchronous AM and I had to add the DSP unit. It's been to Kiwa for the SAM upgrade. I've seen prices on the R75 anywhere from $550.00 to $650.00.

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Thanks Mike for your input. We just need to hear from @bearcatrp to see if they need a transceiver or not.
 

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Thanks Mike for your input. We just need to hear from @bearcatrp to see if they need a transceiver or not.

Understand. I read more towards the "non-ham" side of the example given. :) I do have a 7300 that I use for listening only.

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I'm not a licensed ham, yet.. but own an Icom IC746 pro because i used it for AM and HF dx listening in other locations... the price is very good on the used market and the audio is good too. $600 ish or so is what ive bought them for
 

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The R8500 has really poor specs for that kind of $$ these days and although I don't have specs to compare I suspect the Eton Elite 760 might be better. The IC-746PRO is over 20yrs old now and technology has come a long way since as in better, faster, cheaper.

Based on what they have their eyes on right now, I would say in the $400 (Eton Elite 750) and $600 (Icom 718) with no accessories range. Still it would be nice to hear from @bearcatrp in case the budget might be higher. They want a "real good HF rig" but did not say if they were a ham. Nowadays I would think at a minimum to have a computer interface, have a waterfall, and perhaps be a software defined radio (SDR) especially if they are a ham and will be transmitting with this radio. If they don't need the transmitter side, then I would suggest that we talk about a "real good receiver" for this application. No sense paying for parts that will not be used. Here is an Icom IC-R8500 Shortwave AM FM SSB Receiver for $800. While not the greatest price for a used receiver, it does show that some really sophisticated receivers are available around the general price range that the OP is looking at that can run circles around the Eton Elite 750. Just throwing out some ideas for thought...
 

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The R8500 has really poor specs for that kind of $$ these days and although I don't have specs to compare I suspect the Eton Elite 760 might be better. The IC-746PRO is over 20yrs old now and technology has come a long way since as in better, faster, cheaper.

but if youre like me, on a budget.. and dont need all those bells and whistles, i and a few hams i know find the ic746pro to be quite good.... i could spent 4x as much on a rig, and get some mroe bells and whistles that i may or may not need
 

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The 746 receiver might be adequate for the OP and certainly better than an R8500 but your paying more because it has a 100w transmitter attached that is not needed.

but if youre like me, on a budget.. and dont need all those bells and whistles, i and a few hams i know find the ic746pro to be quite good.... i could spent 4x as much on a rig, and get some mroe bells and whistles that i may or may not need
 

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These seem to be all the rage these days and at a very affordable price. Comes with the bells and whistles. It isn’t a high powered rig or anything so you probably won’t burn your neighbors whiskers off whenever you do take the test to press the go button. I’ll include a HRO link but you can shop around on places like eBay and find it cheaper.


Also another option that gives room to expand is the µBITX. You will need to put it together but provided you solder better than I do it is a solid option. If you aren’t up to the task of soldering get with a ham nerd who does. I thought about attempting it but even with the proper equipment it looks like I used a cigarette to solder.


I worked the world from my 3rd floor dorm using a Kenwood TS-50 by tossing a warrr (wire - Southern English) out the window. I ran low power as to not cook my neighbors, but pro tip, it will make a tv screen go blurry if close enough. Those 0400 Fortnight gaming sessions that sounded like a football game was happening under me didn’t take long to get relocated when the screen went blurry. Good radios and 10/10 would recommend if you live in a dorm and need to move the Fortnight crowd. Otherwise the other two recommendations are very modern and come with more bells and whistles. TS-50 is a little long in the tooth.
 

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Been looking at ham radios and other non ham radios for a real good HF rig that I can hook up to a external wire antenna. Looking at a Icom 718 and a Eaton 750 so far. I like a nice size knob to scroll through the frequencies. Anything better than what I’m looking at now?
Well, the Icom R75, like mbott recommended, has a nice big tuning dial with really smooth action, and with its wide selection of tuning steps as small as 1 Hz, the R75 makes tuning around a pleasure. Sideband performance is excellent, which is important, as there isn't much in AM mode to listen to on HF these days. Mine is over 20 years old, but still performing like new. Also, it's pretty compact for a desktop receiver.

Unless, of course, you need transmitting capability - that's a whole different story. In that case, you might want to consult the Amateur Radio forums on this site, especially Amateur Radio Equipment .
 
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Not a ham operator. Have had a yaesu 891 along with a yaesu along with a yaesu 100D sharing a external power supply. Not at same time. When the POS alinco dies in less than 2 years, got ticked and got rid of it all. Then moved onto a Icom 705. Did fairly well. Loved the waterfall display. Allot of radio for my small needs so sold it. Years ago I had a yaesu 840. Nice big knob to sit back and scroll through the frequencies. Got it new back in 1997. Cannot afford a icom 8600. Would like a receiver I can plug into the wall and not worry about batteries and external power supplies. Don't think I will find what I am looking for. Did find a used yaesu 840 but would suck to get it and it die with no one to fix it. Even emailed yaesu to see if they work on the older stuff. Nope. So now just hunting. Appreciate all your replies. The R75 would be great to have though.
 

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Would like a receiver I can plug into the wall and not worry about batteries and external power supplies.
In that case, you might not want the R75, as it requires a good, regulated external supply. Icom supplies an AC adapter, but that's one of those switching types which generate lots of RFI. I replaced that with a linear (as opposed to switching) supply. It's rated at 4 amps, which is a lot more than the radio draws (a little over 1 amp maximum).

Anyway, the receiver is very rugged, and there's not much that can kill it, aside from trying to run it on 24 volts, dropping it overboard on an ocean voyage, or taking a sledge hammer to it. :)

I thought mine was ready to bite the dust, until I discovered that the internal fuse wasn't seated securely in the fuse holder, which was my fault. I had replaced it back in 2003 after a power surge, and I guess I never checked to see if I had inserted it properly.
 

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What linear supply did you get? I'm hesitant to get another external power supply after getting burnt on the last one. Alinco must have know about the issue as they sent me a schematic and told with part to replace. Will never buy anything alinco ever again!
 

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I don't know of anyone who has had issues with Astron power supplies. I currently have 3.

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What linear supply did you get? I'm hesitant to get another external power supply after getting burnt on the last one. Alinco must have know about the issue as they sent me a schematic and told with part to replace. Will never buy anything alinco ever again!
I have the Pyramid PS-4KX, which I bought from RadioWorld in Toronto. I`m not sure who else carries it, but I`ve had it for roughly 4 years now, with no issues. Actually, this is my second external supply. I bought the first one in 2003 to replace Icom`s adapter, but it died a strange death in 2017. I suddenly heard a loud click in the receiver when I went to plug in my headphones; it was off at the time, but I couldn`t power it up. I suspected a static discharge, as it was winter and the dry air was causing a lot of static sparks. The power supply had no external fuse, so I opened it up to look for an internal one, and the top of an integrated circuit fell out in my hand while I was doing so. That`s why I had to replace the supply with the Pyramid. Luckily, that static discharge didn`t hurt the receiver.

The Pyramid supply has a fuse accessible from the back of the cabinet, and has some automatic overload protection, as well. If it gets overloaded or overheated it will shut off, but can be turned back on later without needing repairs.
 

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I don't know of anyone who has had issues with Astron power supplies. I currently have 3.

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I have two (2) Astron RS-50M (+13.8 VDC 50 Amps intermittent) that have been on continuously since 1983 without failure. Astron supplies are rock solid. I especially recommend their linear power supplies for Amateur Radio use.
 
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