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Motorola VHF MT500 Crystals / Channel Elements Needed

jiminpgh

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Bomar will make the crystal for the element.
It looks like the cover of the element is soldered in place. I did not go any further.
Bomar recently quoted $50 per crystal, 8 weeks delivery for the MT500.
 

AM909

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I just looked. The oldest manuals I have are for Maxar and Mitrek. I have a feeling there's a Micor manual around here somewhere, too, but can't seem to remember where. The only xtal HT manuals I see are HT90/HT440 and Expo. I do have some parts from that era, though.

Check the RB page.

Surprising tons of channel elements on eBay.
 
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knockoffham

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I have a couple of low band MT500s that I've been tempted to try to recrystal if I can actually find elements for one of our frequencies. Low band was never narrowbanded.

I guess a VHF unit could be used for the two wideband MURS frequencies, 2m, or not much else.
Do you know what voltages the crystals need to be rated for, the physical size/pin spacing? I am looking to do the same. I’ve got a license and some lowband MT1000s and I’d like to get them an older friend.
 

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The low band version doesn't use channel elements.
Just plain old crystals.
But, there are about 7 crystal formulas (depending on the freq split) just for the low band radios.
I can't recall for certain, but I believe the high band and UHF versions had different freq splits, and probably (likely) had
different multiplication for high and low IF schemes also.
So it would not be as simple as asking for the crystal info. I would think there might be around 20 formulas for the three bands.
Anyone that can make those crystals should already have that information and a lot more that is not in the basic
service manuals.
I love these old radios also, but I can tell you it will be a complicated project to get crystals or channel elements and someone
to align the radio. Actually the alignment might not be to difficult if the IF crystals happen to be correct and the crystals or channel elements are correct for the existing split.
If this were five or six years ago, I might have been willing to work on it, but too tired now.
I really do wish you luck getting it going.
Will be a challenge and time consuming, but might be worth the effort in the end.
Just depends on what you like.
I like HT220's and they are somewhat difficult also.
 

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The low band version doesn't use channel elements.
Just plain old crystals.
But, there are about 7 crystal formulas (depending on the freq split) just for the low band radios.
I can't recall for certain, but I believe the high band and UHF versions had different freq splits, and probably (likely) had
different multiplication for high and low IF schemes also.
So it would not be as simple as asking for the crystal info. I would think there might be around 20 formulas for the three bands.
Anyone that can make those crystals should already have that information and a lot more that is not in the basic
service manuals.
I love these old radios also, but I can tell you it will be a complicated project to get crystals or channel elements and someone
to align the radio. Actually the alignment might not be to difficult if the IF crystals happen to be correct and the crystals or channel elements are correct for the existing split.
If this were five or six years ago, I might have been willing to work on it, but too tired now.
I really do wish you luck getting it going.
Will be a challenge and time consuming, but might be worth the effort in the end.
Just depends on what you like.
I like HT220's and they are somewhat difficult also.
Dang it... I knew they didn't use channel elements in the low band ones, I was hoping they all used the same formula though. The alignment procedure actually doesn't sound too bad according to the service manual. I will continue looking into it. Thanks!
 

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Do you know what split the radio you have is on?
From that you would know what formula to use.
It would be REALLY difficult to "move" the radio from one split to another.
You pretty much need to find the radio for the frequency range you want to use.
Very difficult to "move" them very far.
 

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I imagine it's pretty difficult with an HT of that era, but maybe not impossible. I re-banded a stack of UHF MASTR-II mobiles (I think) for someone, with support of a complete accurate manual and available original parts. The hardest thing was the coils in the helical front-end filter. I remember needing a micro-torch. :) Probably should have just bought the whole assembly, but maybe it wasn't available or just too expensive.
 

knockoffham

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Do you know what split the radio you have is on?
From that you would know what formula to use.
It would be REALLY difficult to "move" the radio from one split to another.
You pretty much need to find the radio for the frequency range you want to use.
Very difficult to "move" them very far.
Trying to get 42-50s, my frequencies are 43 MHz area.
 

fyrcomltd

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MT 500's with scan were slick radios in their day. In fact, the MT500 was one of the easiest radios to modify. My Fire Chief was a gadget guy. I built him an MT500 8 channel radio with scan, "Quik-Call", and multi-PL encode slaved to the channel selector. The scan switch was moved to the scan housing and the page reset switch was on the front cover.

Do you have a VHF or UHF radio? I still have a few dozen receive elements on public safety frequencies.

VHF MT 500’s were produced on 3 frequency splits: 136—150.8 (NUD-6241), 150.8 (NUD-6242), and 162—174 (NUD-6243). The info in parentheses correlates to the receiver board in the radio. If the radio was stripped of channel elements and the frequency label was missing from the rear cover, you could still determine which band split you had. That info was stamped on the inside of the receiver board.

As far as the scan function, it is not like a vintage crystal scanner where the lights scrolled across the lens. The scan LED would not light until the radio received a signal, then the LED would flash at the correct channel number on the escutcheon.

I never had the crystal manufacturer install the crystal. I did that myself. Cost for the crystal alone in the 1980’s was around $10.00. Compensating the element for the new freq was very easy.

As the others have mentioned, it will be quite expensive to get the radio up and running. For you, it would be a labor of love to have a rare vintage piece of working equipment from, in my opinion, Motorola’s better days.

If you can provide me with a list of the frequencies you need, I will see if I have them. They would be $25.00 each.
 

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