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I see that there are XTS radios that have the full front pannel keypad. I know that the non front pannel ones, or liited keypads must be connected to a computer to program them. What about the full front keypad? If they are flashed already for what you need, can they be programed via the front keypad. Meaning frequencies etc. Thank you all. The new radios are a lot to learn over conventional.
 

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With FPP you can edit TX ,RX PL,DPL ,NAC,bandwith, analog/digital/mixed and edit channel names. Anything else must be done with CPS
 

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not per say.. If you wanted to edit the options like softkeys and switches, encryption, add MDC then yes.
 

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And for clarification, you'll need the FPP flash option installed as it's not standard on all keypad models.
 

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All channels that are to have the FPP feature enabled must FIRST be reserved for that purpose by programming them in FPP-enabled zones via the PC software.

So, if you have, for the sake of argument, 1000 channel capacity in your 5K, you can set 500 channels
as protected (no FPP) and 500 channels in FPP-enabled zones. You can then edit those 500 channels
at will via FPP, no computer required.


FPP programming is thousands of times better than the absolutely idiotic function/alternate function key based programming of most amateur radios. Once you try FPP, you'll never ever want to have
to program a typical amateur radio again.

The FPP in the new APX7000 is even more impressive. It may be the most user-friendly way to program essential information into any radio, EVER. It totally blows away everything else, and
most especially all amateur radios with their pathetic keypad programming interfaces.

Elroy
 

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FPP programming is thousands of times better than the absolutely idiotic function/alternate function key based programming of most amateur radios. Once you try FPP, you'll never ever want to have
to program a typical amateur radio again.


Elroy


I absolutely agree with this statement! The FPP on my VHF XTS2500 is 1000x better than any amateur radio programming UI I've used!

Also, if I'm not mistaken, if you have Q52 and Q53 in your radio, all zones can be FPP...
 

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This is a big reason I lost interest in amateur gear. The menus, scanning and user interface is ridiculous. Having to push 10 buttons and three F keys to get a freakin channel saved then having to calculate the odd offset it ignorant.
 

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Yep !

This is a big reason I lost interest in amateur gear. The menus, scanning and user interface is ridiculous. Having to push 10 buttons and three F keys to get a freakin channel saved then having to calculate the odd offset it ignorant.

I couldn't agree more! Most amateur VHF/UHF gear is junk anymore. Even the newer entry level HF rigs are getting cheap as in made with cheap plastic parts and lousy audio. I wouldn't trade my mono band motorola for any of them.
 

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ElroyJetson said:
So, if you have, for the sake of argument, 1000 channel capacity in your 5K, you can set 500 channels as protected (no FPP) and 500 channels in FPP-enabled zones. You can then edit those 500 channels at will via FPP, no computer required.

'fraid I'm going to have to destroy you on this one, Chris.

An Astro25 portable with current firmware and properly flashed with Q53 (and optionally, additionally, Q52, which eliminates the need to use a FPP dongle) can be configured for FPP on a mimimum of 16 channels, and a maximum of 240 channels, as FPP is enabled on a per-zone basis, not by channel. The first zone will always be set to FPP, and you can optionally designate up to 14 more zones for FPP operation, but they must be contiguous, so all your FPP zones will always be at the front or top of your zone list. After that, you are free to create as many regular zones/channels as you want, up to the capacity of the radio, of course.

Additionally, protecting a zone has nothing to do with disabling FPP/cloning on those channels, rather it allows you to set a FPP password on that zone.

The maximum number of FPP channels ever was with a firmware R09 radio with Q52 only, and that would allow a maximum of 870 channels to be FPP enabled.

Other'n that, you're spot on.
 

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Well, since I never tried to FPP that many channels, it's understandable that I didn't know that limit, Alex.


Actually I only have bothered to set up one zone of 16 channels for FPP in my own radios. It's sufficient for my needs.

But, FPP is so well implemented that anyone who knows the usual ham brands of portable radios (Icom, Kenwood, Yaesu, Alinco, etc) and then tries out the 5K with FPP never wants to go back to his ham brand radio again, or so it seems. It's far easier to FPP program channels into a 5K than it
is to edit channels in almost any amateur portable radio I've ever seen.

At Dayton, it seemed to me that most of the portable radios being used were Motorolas, and of the
Motorola portables in use, most of them were 5Ks.

Motorola could stand to do themselves a favor and see for themselves how popular their radio are
in the amateur community, and build radios for that market that are affordable, durable, have the
quality features that we like, and are tailored for amateur needs. I really think that they COULD
take away a lot of market share from the amateur brand companies.

Most amateur portables are based on the use of a function key. Frankly that sucks. Once you try
a radio that uses a menu and softkey operating system, it's tough to go back.


Elroy
 

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Motorola could stand to do themselves a favor and see for themselves how popular their radio are in the amateur community, and build radios for that market that are affordable, durable, have the quality features that we like, and are tailored for amateur needs. I really think that they COULD take away a lot of market share from the amateur brand companies.
Elroy

Well Motorola does own Vertex/Yaesu, so maybe they can create an amateur based radio like that is similiar to the XTS5000/2500 line, but locked out of the commercial band so the market doesn't try to purchase a lower tiered line with similiar construction principals.

I just received yesterday an APX 700/800/VHF that has FPP. What an awesome radio to have all that flexability for both my work and amateur needs. :cool:
 

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ElroyJetson said:
Well, since I never tried to FPP that many channels, it's understandable that I didn't know that limit, Alex.

Actually I only have bothered to set up one zone of 16 channels for FPP in my own radios. It's sufficient for my needs.

I'm assuming that response was meant for me, even though I am Not Alex. In any event, I'm glad to have provided some clarification and it should hold you in good stead if you should ever decide to utilize more FPP zones on your radio.

ElroyJetson said:
But, FPP is so well implemented that anyone who knows the usual ham brands of portable radios (Icom, Kenwood, Yaesu, Alinco, etc) and then tries out the 5K with FPP never wants to go back to his ham brand radio again, or so it seems. It's far easier to FPP program channels into a 5K than it is to edit channels in almost any amateur portable radio I've ever seen.

As convenient as FPP is, there is still one major flaw. The modulation type of the channel is still tied to the personality, so if you change it, you change the setting in the personality as well, and thus every channel that was slaved to it. This was true with the R09 and prior firmware, but if you were carefull to never change modulation type, it offered you much more flexibility. R10 and later made it basically impossible to muck up in this fashion, at the cost of making it much less flexible. Coincidentally, and since you have one you should be able to see this for yourself, the APX FPP behaves pretty much like a R09 XTS, in that there's no FPP 1-to-1 limitation, and if you change the modulation type, it affects all the channels (options as they call them) that are associated with that same personality.

ElroyJetson said:
At Dayton, it seemed to me that most of the portable radios being used were Motorolas, and of the Motorola portables in use, most of them were 5Ks.

Motorola could stand to do themselves a favor and see for themselves how popular their radio are
in the amateur community, and build radios for that market that are affordable, durable, have the
quality features that we like, and are tailored for amateur needs. I really think that they COULD
take away a lot of market share from the amateur brand companies.

Most amateur portables are based on the use of a function key. Frankly that sucks. Once you try
a radio that uses a menu and softkey operating system, it's tough to go back.

Fanboi-dom aside, there is one very important point that Mark touches on above. There is simply no major profit to be had for Motorola in developing purpose-built amateur radio products. Any money they might make off of such a line, once you subtract engineering and production costs, not to mention licensing fees for any proprietary codecs, pales absolutely in significance compared to their core two-way business. As much as anyone might wish for them to do so, it is not, in my opinion, in Motorola's best interests to move into the amateur radio market. That market is already served very well by a host of companies, and I think you would find that out of the entire amateur community using frequencies and modes that are covered both by repurposed Motorola commercial products and purpose-build amateur equipment, the percent of operators using Motorola gear is not in the majority.

Either which way, many operators out there, yourself included, have found that Motorola gear suits your needs, and since experimentation and innovation are at the core of the hobby, I congratulate you on your adherance to the spirit of amateur radio.
 

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All channels that are to have the FPP feature enabled must
FPP programming is thousands of times better than the absolutely idiotic function/alternate function key based programming of most amateur radios. Once you try FPP, you'll never ever want to have to program a typical amateur radio again.

Elroy
Add my voice to that choir. I had a Motorola FPP radio for a while and vastly preferred it to programming any ham radio I've ever seen. The only thing I wished for was that it was dual band capable. Otherwise it was perfect.
 

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A V/U combination APX 7000 with FPP would be the most incredible portable radio an amateur could have...and the most expensive.

I bought a V/800 recently and it's VERY impressive. Its RF performance is NOT quite equal to a 5K but it does meet its published specs. (Incidentally, the receiver in a VHF 5K is a freak of engineering genius. It's the most sensitive portable radio receiver I've ever had the pleasure of measuring, achieving 12 dB SINAD at .02 microvolts (-129 dBM) input. ) I made these measurements with
freshly calibrated and NIST-traceable test equipment at my own test bench.

Elroy
 

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APX7000 Q53 Option (FPP)

Can anyone tell me if the Q53 and Q52 options on the APX7000 are Flashable or does the radio have to be ordered with it. Also, does anyone know the price range if it is flashable.

Thanks!
 

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The thing about Motorola for ham has to do with the RSS/CPS for non-FPP radios. I'm not sure if a lot of hams would pay lots of money for either a license for the software or to have it programmed. But it would be awesome to have a somewhat cheaper XTS for the ham bands

KS4VT,

How much was the APX?
 

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Though it is illegal, I think that most XTS users have the software but didn't buy it from Mother M.

I think that M is really not concerned about the individual user who uses his radio for amateur or
business use and isn't using the software as a source of revenue. But if you do want to be a legitimate
user of the CPS, it's really not that hard to get a software licensing agreement set up and then you buy
the software....and better yet, the subscription update service.

What's interesting about the subscription update service is that you get all the NEW updates of different CPS packages...and I do mean all of them.

I got the update service thinking it'd keep my XTS software up to date. It has....and it also includes
access to OTHER radio software packages I've never bought! I have APX version 4.01 software via the update service. I never BOUGHT the APX software as a separate item. I even called to M and
asked why I could download software I'd never bought, and the reply is that the update service is
for ALL the CPS programs as a bundle.

So, there's something to know...buy the software update service. You'll get access to more software
than just the one title you bought.

Elroy
 

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Though it is illegal, I think that most XTS users have the software but didn't buy it from Mother M.

I think that M is really not concerned about the individual user who uses his radio for amateur or
business use and isn't using the software as a source of revenue. But if you do want to be a legitimate
user of the CPS, it's really not that hard to get a software licensing agreement set up and then you buy
the software....and better yet, the subscription update service.

What's interesting about the subscription update service is that you get all the NEW updates of different CPS packages...and I do mean all of them.

I got the update service thinking it'd keep my XTS software up to date. It has....and it also includes
access to OTHER radio software packages I've never bought! I have APX version 4.01 software via the update service. I never BOUGHT the APX software as a separate item. I even called to M and
asked why I could download software I'd never bought, and the reply is that the update service is
for ALL the CPS programs as a bundle.

So, there's something to know...buy the software update service. You'll get access to more software
than just the one title you bought.

Elroy

Right, but how much is that service? $1000ish?
 
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