Napa Digital?

[oblivius]

Hello Gents, some good info this thread... I've been scanning since the "olden" days with crystaled scanners and been going strong with all the new scanners etc. It took me a while to realize that Napa SO was "gone" and so now im trying to get them back... I have a couple P25 Phase II radios but i have never programmed any systems with a 2CC NAC "tone" and no TG's to speak of... (no pun there but i like it ) I will go thru the manuals of the three P25 PII radios i have to see if im missing something. Will anyone here please let me know how to pull down the new NAPA SO Dispatch RED/BLUE freqs... id be very grateful... the RR database page has the "napa co trunked p25 link" which takes me to CIRS page where there is a large number of 700 MHz freqs but none listed for Napa... I thought i was very knowledgable about most things "scanners" but here im a bit lost... Thanks in advance ~Dave

 

[officer_415]

Hello Gents, some good info this thread... I've been scanning since the "olden" days with crystaled scanners and been going strong with all the new scanners etc. It took me a while to realize that Napa SO was "gone" and so now im trying to get them back... I have a couple P25 Phase II radios but i have never programmed any systems with a 2CC NAC "tone" and no TG's to speak of... (no pun there but i like it ) I will go thru the manuals of the three P25 PII radios i have to see if im missing something. Will anyone here please let me know how to pull down the new NAPA SO Dispatch RED/BLUE freqs... id be very grateful... the RR database page has the "napa co trunked p25 link" which takes me to CIRS page where there is a large number of 700 MHz freqs but none listed for Napa... I thought i was very knowledgable about most things "scanners" but here im a bit lost... Thanks in advance ~Dave

You need to program it as a conventional frequency (digital mode), it’s not a P25 trunked system.

 

[CityNewsSupport1]

Hello Gents, some good info this thread... I've been scanning since the "olden" days with crystaled scanners and been going strong with all the new scanners etc. It took me a while to realize that Napa SO was "gone" and so now im trying to get them back... I have a couple P25 Phase II radios but i have never programmed any systems with a 2CC NAC "tone" and no TG's to speak of... (no pun there but i like it ) I will go thru the manuals of the three P25 PII radios i have to see if im missing something. Will anyone here please let me know how to pull down the new NAPA SO Dispatch RED/BLUE freqs... id be very grateful... the RR database page has the "napa co trunked p25 link" which takes me to CIRS page where there is a large number of 700 MHz freqs but none listed for Napa... I thought i was very knowledgable about most things "scanners" but here im a bit lost... Thanks in advance ~Dave

As officer 401 Pointed out RED 151.0700 is programmed as a conventional in P25 Mode! Napa One "Primary 155.4300 and NPD Blue 156.0300 are not P25 so they are programmed like always. Only Sheriffs Red is P25! Please up[date the thread with how well you receive radio traffic when you do get it set up, I have found it unreliable when mobile in the city of Napa.

 

[oblivius]

Thanks much officer_415.... ive never tried that before... gonna give it a whirl...

 

[oblivius]

OK...thanks for that extra info.... i will update for sure once i get it done... i live in Petaluma CA, a few smallish mountain ranges away from Napa..

 

[oblivius]

OK... the Uniden BCD996P2 works with the single P25 Freq (151.07) Napa Sheriff. The mobile units are loud and clear and come over the unprogrammed TG 1. Dispatch comes over unprogrammed TG 65535 less loud, slightly muffled but also comes thru clear. Im in east petaluma and this base unit is using approx 30" telescoping antenna. I have several roof antennas but this seems to be enough. I also programmed the same values into a Uniden BCD325P2 "handheld" and i have not heard a peep. Ill try different antennas to see if it will start to pull down Napa Sheriff. I live in East Petaluma in a flat low elevation neighborhood. Thanks again to everyone...

 

[mcjones2013]

It sounds like you programmed it as a "One Frequency Trunk" instead of just P25 Conventional. There's a small chance you might miss some transmissions the way you programmed it.

 

[oblivius]

Hi mcjones, i will try it the "standard trunk" way just in case... I programmed the base scanner with "one freq trunk" and it seems to work well... just the hand held that hasn't received the Napa Sheriff yet...I did the ONE freq since it was literally ONE freq.... thanks

 

[mcjones2013]

You don't do it standard trunked, or one frequency trunked. No trunking involved at all with this system. This is a standard, conventional frequency, just using a digital NAC code instead of an analog PL code.

 

[officer_415]

If he has it programmed as One-Freq Trunk, as long as he has it in "ID Search" he shouldn't miss any traffic. It will also display the talkgroup ID (as he said, 1 for the field units, 65535 for dispatch) when programmed this way.

That being said, @mcjones2013 is right, it should really be programmed as a conventional system. Once you've programmed the frequency, you can go to Set Audio Type > Digital Only > Set P25 NAC (or "Search" to unsquelch for all NACs).

The latter may be a better option if you're scanning other conventional frequencies; you can put them all in the same "system".

 

[oblivius]

Anyone here know how to program a Whistler WS1098 with the Napa Sheriff conv/P25 ?? I have got it successfully programmed on Uniden 996P2 and 325P2 but this is a whole different UI...Ive tried it a couple ways and no joy so far. It's the same UI as TRX-1 and TRX-2...Im going to play around more today but wanted to reach out in case it's already been solved... Thanks again... Sorry if wrong thread

 

[CityNewsSupport1]

Hey Friends
I have a crazy issue with this system! Using a BCD996P2 I have built this system using free scan. The Issue I am having is I am not picking up radio traffic in much of the County or the City of Napa. I do get a signal and pickup traffic in a few locations uot very sporadic. My set up is in vehicle with single band nmo antennas running through a tri plexer. Any Ideas on settings for a better signal?
Thanks for any help

 

[brushfire21]

Hey Friends
I have a crazy issue with this system! Using a BCD996P2 I have built this system using free scan. The Issue I am having is I am not picking up radio traffic in much of the County or the City of Napa. I do get a signal and pickup traffic in a few locations uot very sporadic. My set up is in vehicle with single band nmo antennas running through a tri plexer. Any Ideas on settings for a better signal?
Thanks for any help

Only thing I might point you towards is that the p25 system they are using is a simulcast p25 conventional channel using LSM (linear simulcast modulation?). Some radios/scanners don't do well with that without some setting tweaks. You might do a little research on your scanner and settings for this type of 'system' as it seems the 996P2 has not always worked well out of the box or is case by case from what I have read.

 

[CityNewsSupport1]

Only thing I might point you towards is that the p25 system they are using is a simulcast p25 conventional channel using LSM (linear simulcast modulation?). Some radios/scanners don't do well with that without some setting tweaks. You might do a little research on your scanner and settings for this type of 'system' as it seems the 996P2 has not always worked well out of the box or is case by case from what I have read.

Thank You Sir I will do! The odd thing is it is mainly the City area I have a hard time with, and I know that should not Matter

 

[brushfire21]

Thank You Sir I will do! The odd thing is it is mainly the City area I have a hard time with, and I know that should not Matter

Does the scanner work better outside the City area?

 

[CityNewsSupport1]

Does the scanner work better outside the City area?

Yes! I can even pickup traffic from I-80 in Fairfield. Once I hit the City of Napa I pickup nothing.

 

[officer_415]

Thank You Sir I will do! The odd thing is it is mainly the City area I have a hard time with, and I know that should not Matter

Yes! I can even pickup traffic from I-80 in Fairfield. Once I hit the City of Napa I pickup nothing.

Outside of the city you're probably getting signal from only (or mainly) one site. In the city you're probably getting signal from multiple sites and your scanner is having a hard time decoding it (simulcast distortion).

You would probably have to get a Uniden SDS-100/200 or Unication pager to solve the issue.

 

[CityNewsSupport1]

Outside of the city you're probably getting signal from only (or mainly) one site. In the city you're probably getting signal from multiple sites and your scanner is having a hard time decoding it (simulcast distortion).

You would probably have to get a Uniden SDS-100/200 or Unication pager to solve the issue.

Ya that's what I am suspecting time to try an SDS

 

[brushfire21]

Ya that's what I am suspecting time to try an SDS

You might try the scanner with a stubby antenna or tuned for 700mhz maybe? This may help in that it may only pickup the closer tx site. However I wouldn't spend a lot of money as at some point they are turning in encryption but who knows when, but it's coming I'm told.

 

[CityNewsSupport1]

You might try the scanner with a stubby antenna or tuned for 700mhz maybe? This may help in that it may only pickup the closer tx site. However I wouldn't spend a lot of money as at some point they are turning in encryption but who knows when, but it's coming I'm told.

Ya I should try a short antenna! I suspect Red is being set up as a Records Channel, Like Vallejo and Santa Rosa have. I suspect Primary will be brought back as Napa One. They have been radio testing Blue and Primary so who knows. The last thing Napa County needs is a complicated and expensive radio system! I started scanning Napa County in 1988 and I still don't see the need for a bigger system.