National Parks SAR

[rickp1]

Hey guys,
Not sure if this goes here. But anyway.

Does anyone know or have the SAR freqs used at all the National Parks?

 

[ecps92]

Each Park and Forest has their own set of Frequencies, typically in the VHF Bands. These would be in addition to the Local assets invited to an event [which would be the local FD/EMS and already credential'd/certified local groups]

Hey guys,
Not sure if this goes here. But anyway.

Does anyone know or have the SAR freqs used at all the National Parks?

 

[bezking]

Moved to the Federal Monitoring forum...

 

[jeffreyinberthoud]

#1 what park are you looking for ?

#2 Please if you find what your looking for for any National parks please post

we will put them in the DB and or Wiki

so far we have Yosemite ,Glacier and Rocky mountain,,,,I think we have Yellowstone as well


By the wau the WIKI now has a US FEDERAL AGENCIES link under the Collaboration Gateway states section

LOOKING FOR ANY PARK AND OR usfs DATA

 

[inigo88]

In addition to the local park channels:

155.16 - National Search & Rescue (NASAR) common / Mountain Rescue Association (MRA) - various CTCSS tones.

155.475 - NLEMARS (National Law Enforcement Mutual Aid Radio System)

168.35 and 163.10 were commonly used simplex NPS freqs pre narrow-banding, but large parks have many more.

 

[rickp1]

Any NP will do. I'm looking to get as many as I can to be honest.

I found this so far.

FISH & WILDLIFE
034.8100 U.S. Fish & Wildlife
034.8300 U.S. Fish & Wildlife
408.6750 U.S. Fish & Wildlife Enforcement
408.7500 U.S. Fish & Wildlife
410.9250 U.S. Fish & Wildlife

NATIONAL FORESTS
freq input
036.7500 USFS Region 5 North ops dispatch
036.9700 USFS Region 5 North ops dispatch
038.3700 USFS (Tahoe)
046.9700 USFS Region 5 North ops dispatch
164.1000 USFS (Lassen) Service Net
164.1250 164.825 USFS (El Dorado/Plumas/Sierra) Service Net
164.5250 USFS (Sequoia) F3 Tac 1
164.9125 USFS Region 5 South ops dispatch
166.1250 164.625 USFS (El Dorado/Tahoe) Law Net
166.9625 USFS Region 5 South ops dispatch
168.1250 173.800 USFS (Inyo)
168.1500 171.3875 USFS (Stanislaus) Admin Repeater
168.1750 170.600 USFS (Tahoe) Fire Net F3/F4 Crew Net
168.3000 USFS (Stanislaus) Tac 3
168.6750 USFS (Sequoia) F1/F2 Emergency Net
168.7500 170.500 USFS (Stanislaus/Modoc) Emergency F1/F2
168.7750 170.575 USFS (Tahoe) Forest Net F1/F2
169.1250 USFS (Lassen) Travel
169.8750 170.475 USFS (Humbolt-Toiyabe) Forest Net F1/F2
169.9500 USFS (Lassen) Administration
169.9750 171.425 USFS (Humbolt-Toiyabe) Forest Net F3/F4
170.0000 USFS Region 5 Yosemite F9 Air Operations
170.5250 USFS Region 5 Fire cache
170.5500 USFS (Plumas) Primary F1/F2
171.4250 USFS (Plumas) Admin
171.4750 USFS (Sierra) F1/F2
171.5000 USFS (Sequoia/Stanislaus/Tahoe) Service net
171.5250 169.950 USFS (El Dorado) Forest Net (Fire)
172.2250 USFS (Lassen) Forest Net
172.2250 USFS (Sierra) Yosemite F13
172.2500 USFS (Tahoe) Co-op Net
172.3250 173.7625 USFS (El Dorado) Forest Admin
172.3500 USFS (Sierra) Wilderness Radiotelephone
173.9125 USFS Region 5 Fire cache Tac 4
173.9625 USFS Region 5 Fire cache Tac 5
173.9825 USFS Region 5 Fire cache Tac 6
415.2250 USFS (Plumas)
415.3250 USFS (El Dorado) Fire Net
415.3500 USFS North Ops Intercom
415.3750 USFS (Stanislaus)
415.4250 USFS (Sierra)
415.4750 USFS (Sierra)
415.5250 USFS (El Dorado) Fire Net
415.5500 USFS Region 5 Air guard
417.6500 USFS (Tahoe) Link

TAHOE MANAGEMENT UNIT
freq input
164.1500 Lake Tahoe Region 5 Project Net
172.3750 Tahoe Management Unit Simplex Ch 1
172.3750 171.525 Tahoe Management Unit Repeated Ch 2

KINGS CANYON/SEQUOIA NATIONAL PARK
164.7500 Kings Canyon-Sequoia NP North - Front country F2
164.8000 Kings Canyon-Sequoia NP South F1
171.7500 Kings Canyon-Sequoia NP Back country F8/9
172.2000 Kings Canyon-Sequoia NP F5 Tac south
172.4500 Kings Canyon-Sequoia NP Back country link
172.5000 Kings Canyon-Sequoia NP Back country link
173.7875 Kings Canyon-Sequoia NP F4 Tac 2

LASSEN NATIONAL PARK
163.1000 Lassen NP Tac 2 F4
168.6500 Lassen NP Air to Ground F7
170.0750 Lassen NP F1/F2

YOSEMITE NATIONAL PARK
freq input
047.5800 Yosemite NP Tuolumne Meadows Ranger
Station
047.6200 Yosemite NP High Sierra Campgrounds
136.0750 136.025 East Yosemite NP Ch 14,15 & 16
166.3000 Yosemite Valley Net Ch 4 Local
166.3000 166.425 Yosemite Valley Net Ch 5 Repeater
166.8500 171.825 Yosemite NP Law Enforcement Operations
168.0500 Yosemite NP F10 (NIFC Tac 1)
168.2000 Yosemite NP F11 (NIFC Tac 2)
168.3500 Yosemite NP F8 Project Net
168.6000 Yosemite NP F12 (NIFC Tac 3)
170.0000 Yosemite NP F9 Air Operations (USFS Region 5)
172.2250 Yosemite NP F13
172.6500 Yosemite NP Net Ch 1 Local
172.6500 172.025 Yosemite NP Net Ch 2 Repeater
172.7750 171.800 Yosemite NP Fire Net Repeater

 

[W9NES]

Not only 155.160 for National Search and Rescue but you also might try 155.220.Also freqs 155,175-155.295 are also available for SAR. Search and Rescue Teams that use VHF Communications.

 

[SCPD]

Most of the large national parks are exclusive jurisdictions and the state/local agencies have none. In those parks search and rescues are done by the National Park Service. I live near two large parks, Yosemite and Sequoia-Kings and the county SAR teams use NPS frequencies when they are called to assist. There are very few cases where the NPS needs mutual aid for a search and rescue. If you are interested in NPS SAR frequencies then concentrate on the frequencies assigned to each park.

rickp1, the list you posted has a lot of errors and you included U.S. Forest Service frequencies. The Forest Service does not manage National Parks, they manage National Forests. The Forest Service does not have exclusive jurisdictions so the counties have jurisdiction for SAR. Most county/local SAR teams utilize sheriff department frequencies and others assigned to them for tactical communications. Frequency use varies greatly depending on the county involved.

The errors in the list you posted are too numerous for me to comment on as my time is limited due to my present circumstances. Prior to this I've made submissions to correct the database, but many were not used. Some of the corrections were later overwritten by erroneous information.

 

[rickp1]

Hey ExSmokey,
Thanks for the feedback. The info and freq I posted are what I was given on another site. I just copied and pasted. I wasn't able to confirm any of it.

Like you said to many freqs to go through I guess.

Again thanks
R.

 

[smokeybehr]

I worked with YoSAR last year on a SAR mission in YOSE, and all the freqs that they used were the regular park frequencies. When the teams came in, they were issued one radio per team out of the park's cache of radios. The teams' internal comms were on anything from MURS and FRS channels to the usual set of SAR freqs.

Several years ago, I worked on another SAR just outside of SEKI in SQF, and all of the freqs were Local Government (Sheriff's) channels.

 

[rickp1]

smokey or anyone else that worked SAR, did you guys monitor the FRS/GMRS freqs? I would think you did since families and others use those type of radios.

R.

 

[RodStrong]

smokey or anyone else that worked SAR, did you guys monitor the FRS/GMRS freqs? I would think you did since families and others use those type of radios.R.

We usually rely on the investigation to rule in/out the possibility of radios coming into play before just blindly scanning a bunch of stuff on a mission.

 

[SCPD]

smokey or anyone else that worked SAR, did you guys monitor the FRS/GMRS freqs? I would think you did since families and others use those type of radios.

R.

I rarely monitor FRS/GMRS myself. Each is almost as chaotic as CB. You have people talking over each other and it can be time consuming getting information useful to understanding the workings of the SAR. At other times the traffic is quite disciplined with the incident communications base and rescuers talking directly to the victims and/or the other member's of the victims group. This happens with some frequency when there is a climbing accident SAR as line of sight is good for very clear signals. On the whole it has been my experience that climbing groups are more savvy and understand what needs to be done and how good radio discipline adds to the effort.

In non-climbing SAR's you generally have people who don't understand communication procedures or instructions. Most of them are in the situation they are in because they are not prepared or are inexperienced. Without line of sight communications it is difficult to establish contact with a victim or the victim's group as the incident involves a wider area often in mountainous terrain. If the victim is close enough to communicate with SAR people they are close enough to talk with their group and are then not lost and can communicate where they are to get back together. There are other situations where their inexperience, especially when they don't know how to navigate in wildland terrain, causes them all to walk in circles or make poor decisions such as trying to go on a route where it is too hazardous to travel on foot without roping up or just finding a good spot to descend steep slopes or cliffs. The final category are experienced people who have made an error in judgement. Most of us do at some point and most of the time it does the result is not life threatening or injurious.

Even though there are a lot of people with FRS/GMRS in wildland areas, it is my impression that it is a small minority so scanning them does not always make sense, especially if you are in a heavily used area like the Yosemite Valley or close to urban areas, such as the Angeles, San Bernardino and Cleveland National Forests in southern California or the Sandia Mountains on the Cibola National Forest immediately adjacent to Albuquerque. Ironically there are a lot of accidents and SAR's that occur in these settings. I've listened to people down in the cities deliberately interfere with CB and FRS/GMRS communications knowing full well that the incident is serious and not a drill.

My experience listening to incidents with multiple frequencies being used is that there is a point of information overload where you have to decide which two or three frequencies you are going to listen to and lock out the rest. My short list does not include FRS/GMRS in those circumstances.

There is so much variation in SAR's that generalizations don't work. I could be missing something by not always monitoring CB/FRS/GMRS. When I do it is usually the result picking up traffic on SAR frequencies they are being used.

 

[smokeybehr]

The majority of the SAROPS that I've been on have all been on VHF. It could be different in other areas, but here's my reasoning:

1. The frequencies that NASAR is licensed for are all VHF.
2. Most SAROPS take place in the National Forests or National Parks, and USFS, NPS, and BLM are all on VHF.
3. Most of the organized SAR units are sponsored by or divisions of Sheriff's Departments in the various counties around the state, and other than in LA or the Bay Area, the Sheriff's Departments are generally on VHF (yes, I know about the exceptions).
4. CALCORD is a VHF channel.
5. The California State agencies that would be responding to a SAR mission are (for the most part) on VHF.

FRS radios are fine for "intra-squad radios" (Google "IC-4008M") but any more than 1/4 mile away, especially in heavy forest or in rough terrain, communications becomes difficult. Also, where you have a large number of non-participants using radios, such as Yosemite Valley, or a populated mountain community, the potential for interference becomes greater.