New Bern Talkgroups and info

[WD4CQ]

Any help or comments? I am a newbie to trunktracking and I have a new Bearcat Uniden BC785D Scanner and ARC250Pro v1.10 Software and I am trying to locate and confirm talkgroups for New Bern Police Dept. & Public Safety on our 800Mhz Motorola Type II Smartnet System. New Bern uses the following freqs below:

City of New Bern, NC

856.2625 856.7375 857.2625 857.7375 858.2625
858.7375 859.2625 859.7375 860.2625 860.7375
860.9875


North Carolina State Operations
New Bern (Craven County)

866.0875 866.8125 867.0625 867.5625 867.8125
867.8875 868.0625 868.3125 868.5625 868.8125

:roll: Thanks!

 

[WD4CQ]

Well, I just learned today (for sure - no guessing) that we have a Motorola "Type I" Smartnet Truncking system here for my city and NOT type II. :shock: I've confirmed this with folks who KNOW!! :wink: So now all the reading and logging of ID's on type II is really no good to me, I need to go back and read, read, read on type I systems. :shock: I have the Fleet info of 400 and sub-fleets of 1-6 for New Bern Police Dept. "Whatever this means?" I have so much to learn!! Any help for a Newbie??

 

[INDY72]

Motorola Type I? Oh boy now you get to have fun figuring out the Fleetmapping of the system. Once thats known then you can get accurate talk group readings. There are two methods for getting fleetmaps down. 1: try each of the preset fleetmaps and when you get most to all of the complete convos (both sides of them) you have the right one. 2: You can start trying to program in your own fleetmaps and once again, when you get most to all of the convos per each of the settings,.. your on target. For those that like to work out systems and learn about how it works as you go along, this is the fun part! But if your in a hurry and just want to get to listening,... then this is the pain in the butt part.

 

[WD4CQ]

Well, for me IT IS A PAIN IN THE BUTT!!!! :lol: I do not even know or understand Fleetmapping yet, I spent all my time understanding type II and finally found out it was type I, unless I am getting incorrect info :shock: But I believe I am getting the correct info. Any step by step guide on figuring out the Fleetmapping of the system. What question would I need to ask someone who would know? I was told Police was fleet of 400 and subfleets 1-6 whatever that means?? Data (noise bursts) are Fleet of 700. If I just could get the scanner SETUP correctly to get the correct talk group readings!!!!!!!!! I'm finding that understanding the words in the book is much like understanding when you go to a restaurant and the waiter asks you if you want the check.....Heck! Why don't he just say the "Bill" or fee for the food..... Fleetmapping I'm thinking just means like 400's are police, 500's Public works, 700 Data (lockout), etc.... the final 2 digita of subfleet numbers...is this right? If so I could write a better book myself!!!!

I'll try your (2) methods below:

There are two methods for getting fleetmaps down. 1: try each of the preset fleetmaps and when you get most to all of the complete convos (both sides of them) you have the right one. 2: You can start trying to program in your own fleetmaps and once again, when you get most to all of the convos per each of the settings,.. your on target.

I don't even know how to do that. Why did I ever buy this scanner? Now I know exactly why I kept putting off buying a trunck tracker scanner!!

 

[WD4CQ]

Hi All, Sorry for cross-posting this same reply in the "Motorola Trucking Subject" as well as here, I am a newbie to the MAX and I have a similiar conversation going there as well so here is what I have so far.....

Using my Uniden BearCat BC785D Scanner I went to enter my type I ID's that I have been logging all day using ID Tracker v3.0.0 Software(Type I Motorola Smartnet) I noticed the ARC250Pro v1.10 software automatically converted all my prior type II Smartnet ID's over to Type I AUTOMATICALLY. Yea!!!!!! I'm liking this Butel software more and more! All the ID's I had captured over the weekend were not lost, they were still listed and converted to the format below. I deleted massive amounts of duplicate ID's and added a few to the list that I had been logging today. This is what I have so far! (Motorola Smartnet Type I) It seems to have some logic as all (New Bern) Police is on 400-XX (400-04 is dispatch) and 500-XX seems to be public works (which shares the system) and 401-XX seems to be Law Enforcement (police type related stuff) and so on..... Does this look like I am on the right track? I was told by a trunking radio tech here that Fleet 400 would be Police and have a subfleet of 1 thru 6. I seem to be understanding this now but the jury is still in??? Any Help??? I think I'm mainly struggling with the "lingo" words Fleet, subfleet, Mapping and so on, and what they actucally mean :!: Once I confirm my scanner is setup correctly I can feel confident that I have the correct ID's (talkgroups) and can begin the fun part of Organizing them and Alpha-tagging them. Any Comments or help??

City of New Bern, NC

856.2625 856.7375 857.2625 857.7375 858.2625
858.7375 859.2625 859.7375 860.2625 860.7375
860.9875
*(also added 853.4875Mhz found that freq listed here on the RR database - not sure if it belongs to this group or not but the above freqs are good)

300-01
301-08
301-09
301-10
400-05
400-04 Police - Main Dispatch
400-09
400-09
400-13
400-08
401-05
401-15
401-01
401-00
401-14
401-11
401-04
401-08
401-13
500-06
500-10
500-09
500-12
500-13
500-14
500-11
501-12
501-14
501-11
501-10
501-02
501-03
501-15
700-00 (data bursts) Lock these out. -confirmed by trunking tech.
700-01 (data bursts) lock these out. -confirmed by trunking tech.

 

[INDY72]

Preset fleetmap types for type I systems: E1P1, E1P2, E1P3, E1P4, E1P5, E1P6, E1P7, E1P8, E1P9, E1P10, E1P11, E1P12, E1P13, E1P14, E1P15, and E1P16.
And here are the size codes for programming your own fleetmap:
SO-reseved for Type II Id's takes up one block.
S1 -128 Fleets, 4 Subfleets, 16 ID's, takes up one block.
S2 -16 Fleets, 8 Subfleets, 64 ID's, takes up one block.
S3 -8 Fleets, 8 Subfleets, 128 ID's, takes up one block.
S4 -1 Fleet, 16 Subfleets, 512 ID's, takes up one block.
S5 -64 Fleets, 4 Subfleets, 32 ID's, takes up one block.
S6 -32 Fleets, 8 Subfleets, 32 ID's, takes up one block.
S7 -32 Fleets, 4 Subfleets, 64 ID's, takes up one block.
S8 -16 Fleets, 4 Subfleets, 128 ID's, takes up one block.
S9 -8 Fleets, 4 Subfleets, 256 ID's, takes up one block.
S10 -4 Fleets, 8 Subfleets, 256 ID's, takes up one block.
S11 -2 Fleets, 16 Subfleets, 256 ID's, takes up one block.
S12 -1 Fleet, 16 Subfleets, 1024 ID's, takes up two blocks.
S13 -1 Fleet, 16 Subfleets, 2048 ID's, takes up four blocks.
S14 -1 Fleet, 16 Subfleets, 4096 ID's, takes up all eight blocks.

Fleetmaps use a system of 8 blocks to program in various combinations of the above size codes.

Example of how typical Type I systems might be set up for service:
Citywide- 4 Fleets: DPW, Police, Fire, EMA...
Subfleets for each:
DPW- Water, Trash, Sewer, Streets
Police- Dispatches, S.W.A.T., Tactical, Car to Car, Admin, Training.
Fire- Dispatches, Admin, Firegrounds, EMS if this is an FD function, Training.
EMA- Dispatches, Shelters, Car to Car, Etc,...

Or the city may have just one massive fleet divided into Subfleets for fire, police, dpw, government, etc,...

 

[WD4CQ]

OK, here is my latest update of what I have been logging. I do not know where to go from here! :shock: I do not understand Presets and fleetmapping yet as described above. :? I need it explained in a simplier format. I am completely NEW to trunk track scanning! My last numbers are I-call numbers but I'm not sure why the i has been coming up before the number? When I was monitoring in type II the i was a 7. Ok folks where and what do I do next? Am I logging correct information or wasting my time? :?:

300-01

301-08
301-09
301-10

400-04 NBPD Dispatch
400-05
400-08
400-09
400-12
400-13
400-14
400-15

401-00
401-01
401-04
401-05
401-08
401-11
401-13
401-14
401-15

500-06
500-09
500-10
500-11
500-12
500-13
500-14

501-01
501-02
501-03
501-05
501-06
501-07
501-10
501-11
501-12
501-14
501-15

i32844
i33648
i48355
i48356

 

[INDY72]

This is starting to sound like your monitoring a type IIi Hybrid. Just try each of the preset fleetmaps untill your sure your getting the complete conversation on each talkgroup. If your getting Dispatch on one, and the reply on another the map is wrong. When you get both sides of each conversation on an individual ID then you have it right. Thats about as simple as it gets. Make sure you have all the repeaters in, make sure your set up for iether type I, or for the type I, type IIi Hybrids, then go for fleetmapping. Then once that is done, let us know how it goes, and PLEASE post the info to the DB here. Good luck.

 

[WD4CQ]

In trying to program my BC785D and BC250D Scanners, I am told we are type I system only here. No hybrid. Was trying custom presets earilier, :? (somone suggested trying preset 2) so I am "now" trying Preset 2 and I do get the complete conversation on each one's own talkgroup, and I get Police Dispatch on 400-02, and all replies to Police Dispatch on 400-02. I'm still logging ID's and listening. But I want to get my fleetmap down before trying to tell who is who on each talkgroup. The info you typed below reallllyyyy made sense... :wink:

Just try each of the preset fleetmaps untill your sure your getting the complete conversation on each talkgroup. If your getting Dispatch on one, and the reply on another the map is wrong. When you get both sides of each conversation on an individual ID then you have it right. Thats about as simple as it gets. Make sure you have all the repeaters in, make sure your set up for iether type I, or for the type I, type IIi Hybrids, then go for fleetmapping.

That one paragraph above made more sense than anything I have read so far on fleet mapping and what it does! Why don't they say that it the book when trying to understand what and why do I need a fleetmap? :shock: LOL

Pleaseeeeeee.....I need all the help I can get! Any more helpful advise anyone??? :?:

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[INDY72]

If your getting all the conversations on each tg, and that includes no wierd tg's showing up that doesn't make sense or fit the pattern. Then your set and can start programmin the ID's into your lists to scan. Once you confirm the right Fleetmap, and TG ID's please post to the db and that pretty much is all there is too it.

 

[WD4CQ]

Hey, thank you for the reply. I'm learning more and more with each post... Thanks to all on the forum here.

If your getting all the conversations on each tg, and that includes no wierd tg's showing up that doesn't make sense or fit the pattern. Then your set and can start programmin the ID's into your lists to scan. Once you confirm the right Fleetmap, and TG ID's please post to the db and that pretty much is all there is too it.

Well I am trying to be sure that I am getting all conversations on each t/g. Not having any prior trunk tracking experiences, I'm not sure what a werid talkgroup would look like :shock: or what pattern I should be looking for. Right now I am reading and reading all about fleetmapping, size codes, what S12, S0, S4 means, how to read and make sense of a fleetmap. I'd like to be able to understand what I am doing (Guess that is the EE technician in me). If I can understand it, then I can process and begin to move on... (anyone else here like that? LOL) I have much more understanding now on type I systems and fleetmapping than I did 24hrs ago.... Thats how much I have been reading and trying to understand. Right now the scanner is still on and logging (not as many) ID's with a Preset Fleetmap of 2 (or in other words size code of 4 for all blocks (block 0-7, each have size code of 4) giving me 1 fleet, 16 sub-fleets, 512 ID's. I'm still reading and learning. Oh, yea....listening some too... :lol:

Keep those posts coming.. I am reading them "all."

 

[INDY72]

Wierd would be like this:
Fire Department:
04-010 Dispatch
04-011 Admin
04-012 Fireground
then getting something like this 04-013 and hearing DPW, then 04-014 Fireground LOL. This is usually a sign something is not quite right in the fleetmap. Most Systems Admins/Designers like to keep the subfleets, and Fleets in somewhat of a logical order.

 

[INDY72]

Oh and basically what your doing in setting your scanner to monitor a certian fleetmap is to duplicate the mapping done by the system designer/admin. The closer your map resembles the real fleetmap of the system, the more accuratley you will be able to monitor the system. With some type I systems this is simple, with others not so simple. I am lucky as to the fact that the only Type I system I monitor is now a Type IIi Hybrid, and soon will be a full Type II. So I can almost get ready to ditch the fleetmap i have and just program it as a II and log ID's.

 

[WD4CQ]

Very well written...

what your doing in setting your scanner to monitor a certian fleetmap is to duplicate the mapping done by the system designer/admin. The closer your map resembles the real fleetmap of the system, the more accuratley you will be able to monitor the system.

OK, That makes sense! I got your e-mail also, Thanks! :wink: I think I can cover much more ground quickly by phone as discussed in our e-mails. I look forward to talking with you. It's a combination of reading the Owner's manual and talking to good people like yourself and others here on the forum that is helping me put all this together. In 6 months our system will be going to type II because they will go digital. Don't know all the details :?: and that six month period could get stretched out to a year or more depending on city budget. But for now I need to learn how to find my current fleetmap. All help is very much appreciated.

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