New Monmouth County Fire & EMS VHF Plan

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Funny- I listened to the same job and managed to miss this whole confusion over LZ contact frequencies?! Not that I doubt any of it!

At any rate- a couple of observations- To begin, when I first saw the new county channel line up- 2 glaring discrepancies jumped out at me- the lack of a county wide fire police channel, and the LZ contact we're discussing here. While fire police can be debated another day, the topic at hand seems fairly important, something that should be quickly addressed!

The LZ contact needs to be simple, as in simplex, with the least number of moving parts if you will. A standard freq would serve best over a large area- somehow I thought that 154.2650 freq, sometimes referred to as the south jersey net seemed to fill the bill for a big chunk of the state. Failing that 154.2800 seemed to work fine!

When I was Chief we did a fair number of helicopter LZ assignments, 2-3 a week (at times) for inter-hospital flights. From talking to various flight crews, it quickly became obvious that talking to us before touching down wasn't high on their priority list. Also-often, contact radio frequency information was given by a PD dispatcher, or other staff not well versed with the importance of ALL the information- input/output and PLs!

Also- keep in mind just how many different helicopters we're talking about now, plus, if they are using a back-up ship, perhaps due to a service issue- then the onboard radio will not have local contacts preprogramed. Also- here in central Monmouth- we're just as likely to get a helicopter from NYC, OR Philly. If the bird was strictly a NJ operation- they would still need to have 21 counties of contacts loaded. Most can program on the go- but like I said- the flight crews don't see this as nearly an imperative as the ground people.
 

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Simple solution to helicopter operations....have EMS communicate with the helicopter on the legally required JEMS channels that every ambulance has.

But i say that as someone who grew up in a town where FD didnt respond to medevacs, so that some towns do that around here is really weird to me. If towns are going to have FD response to helicopter flights, why not just have the FDs program the JEMS channels into their radios?


Neptune kept their frequencies because the township own the FCC licence and werent switching. Ocean Grove is also still on their same channel for the same reason.
 
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i still think the simplest solution is just have the l/z coordinator, and the medevac use spen/jems 4. having a fd use the other jems channel's may be entering murky waters. spen/jems 4 has been designated as a shared frequency for police/fire/ems. interestingly, out of all the medevac job's i've listened to, i've only heard the police be in charge of a l/z once. remcs told northstar to come up on one of the turnpike talgroups, and communicate with car 8XX.

as far as having the ems be in charge of the l/z, again murky water's. somebody has to determine if it is a firematic or medical scene. i guess it would be a little bit of both. if it is indeed a fire scene, the fire command is the definite boss. this has caused controversy for several pd's/fd's. it has also lead to several ugly fight's, sometime's with arrest's of fire personnel. whether the charge's stick or not, it's still no bueno.

i know there has to be guidline's on this, but when a medevac land's at anything other than a faa approved heliport <ie a trauma center> there should be a fire response. i know even freehold twp. does this for centrastate's helistop. have not heard them go lately.
 
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Folks,

I think the forum topic or thread is shifting from discussion about the New Monmouth County Fire & EMS VHF Plan to a discussion on EMS/PD/FD communications and policies concerning Medi-Vac operations, who is in contol of a LZ etc...
A good topic for discussion but IMHO think it best start a new thread subject on this please?

Thanks

Max:cool:
 

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Max feel free to spin this off to another thread if you will. Just 4 quick comments - based on the recent posts. 1. "Helispot" is the correct term. Second - no requirement to have FD on the scene- LZ, purely a local protocol type thing. 3. FD should be LZ IC as EMS has enough going on. 4. Perhaps the poorest approach- having a landing pad on the roof of a facility - recently a medivac crashed at a Colorado hospital-luckly, not on the roof- but spinning out of control into the nearby parking lot- lots of fire- 1 fatality- the pilot! In fact if you look up crashes for air medical - you'll be shocked at the numbers!

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