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[okieman98]

Hi everyone, new scanner for birthday, ws 1065. live in Oklahoma, having trouble programming from the data base. i got the analog channels downloaded ok, but when it come to the ok state win are state wide and the others it will install them but they do not work what aim i doing wrong thanks.

using win 500 to program

 

[tvengr]

Are the scan lists turned on? To toggle a scan list on and off: Press 1-0 on the keypad for scan lists 1-10. Press FUNC and then 1-0 for scan lists 11-20.

 

[trentbob]

Okieman I have a few questions for you that might help others to help you also.

So you are in Healdton Oklahoma which I see is in Carter County. I'm in Pennsylvania and don't know the first thing about Oklahoma other than what I can see in the database and it isn't very clear to me so here's a few questions... Is your fire department still on the to VHF High frequencies and that's the conventional frequencies that you put in the 155 megahertz area?

It appears as if you have 2 Statewide systems that are merging. You have a type II smartzone system and a p25 phase 1 system. It also appears that there's rebanding going on? Which state system did you put in? Did you put both in?

Does Healdton have its own police? Is police coverage offered by Carter County? Maybe perhaps you are patrolled by State Police?

I have a pro 106 from RadioShack which was a rebranded GRE radio that is now sold by Whistler. I haven't looked at it in years but it was a fine radio. It was the second generation Digital radio introduced by GRE, the first was the pro 96 in 2003.

So let us know exactly what you programmed in the radio. I'm going to go take a look at the Oklahoma State forum to see if this rebanding business could be involved.

 

[trentbob]

Okay then... It would appear that your database is not totally up to date and that's understandable when a Statewide system is in flux the way Okwin is.

People are discussing what scanners will work and which ones won't. There's a lot of talk about p2 simulcast but I don't know your state so I don't know what's near you or where these towers they are talking about that are being phased out are located but I'm sure you will. There was also some talk about conversion to encrypted Transmissions which is not unusual on state Forum discussions.

As I said from what I'm reading in late September the Okwin system sites are changing daily as the system converts to the new p25 simulcast system.

The best thing I can do to help you is say... Go over to the Oklahoma State forum and make some new friends LOL. I recognize usernames there of some pretty smart people who I am sure will help you along.

Again, it's not unusual that a database is not correct when a Statewide system is in such current flux. The database administrators will only publish updates when they are confirmed as accurate. Good luck to you, read everything you can on your State forum. Happy birthday!... Bob.

 

[tvengr]

Trentbob, I didn't see anything for Carter Co or Healdton in either the Motorola or P25 statewide systems or any other system except for the Lake Murray Park Rangers. How about you?

 

[trentbob]

Yes I saw the park rangers, I also saw a lot of State Police talk groups and that's why I was asking you if you were patrolled by your own towns police or your county Police or the state police.

I looked up your county because that's what led me to the system. The database allows you to pick your county out by sight by clicking on it but I don't know Oklahoma so that's how I ended up in Carter County after looking it up on Google.

With the Statewide systems, local police often end up migrating to the Statewide systems. As I say your database information may not be even close to correct, not yet anyway.

People were talking about buying P2 simulcast radios. Not sure if that's relevant or not here as that's not in the database. Maybe it's for larger cities. I don't know the geography of Oklahoma any more than I do Beijing LOL. Carter County does have sites. Apparently sites are being shut down and being activated as we speak.

Does Healdton have its own Police Department? If so I did not see any old analog conventional frequencies for them which would lead me to think that they are migrated to the Statewide system even if that talk group isn't in the database available. I have no doubt that talk groups are missing in the database for the new P25 system.

I'm pretty good with this stuff and I noticed right away that the database didn't look right and didn't make sense to me. Do you have any major cities nearby? Maybe your hometown is involved in their system. Do you know if Carter County Sheriff's Department has their own conventional channels or are they involved in the Statewide system or a county system we don't know about. Fire dispatch is usually a County responsibility. Is Carter County a big County or is it more like Mayberry?

I'm at a great loss as to locations and their relationship to each other.

I just thought I would take a stab at it thinking maybe it would make sense and be easy to help you.

If it helps, if you put the systems in your radio as they stand in the database it very well might explain why you aren't hearing anything, it appears that the type II smartzone system is being slowly eliminated.

Try to find someone who lives near you on the State forum or someone who will steer you in the right direction for your county, my County is 650 square miles with a huge radio system of its own, your County may be very small.

Well I'm pretty tapped out here as far as what I can do for you but you are going to find out what's going on. Search Google for any questions you have and it'll direct you towards threads on RR and other boards. It also might direct you to State agencies that will explain the new radio system.

It's like being a detective. As I was saying you have a pretty good core of guys discussing it on the state system.

 

[trentbob]

Whoops... Sorry Jim, I thought you were the o p LOL

 

[trentbob]

What do you think about all this Jim?

 

[trentbob]

Actually we haven't heard from the o p.

Take a look at this situation and tell me what you think? I'd like to get your take on it Jim

 

[tvengr]

I don't see anything for Carter Co conventional frequencies but the sheriff and 2 EMS talkgroups. There is nothing for Carter Co Fire. The individual towns do have some Fire and PD frequencies listed. If there is nothing for Carter Co fire, it must be on some other system. You may be correct that the statewide systems have not been updated yet. I would suggest putting in a wildcard to search for any new talkgroups.

 

[trentbob]

Yes putting in a wild-card for the p25 system only is a good idea. To the o p let us know your progress when you see these posts. Keep us updated on any new friends you meet on the state forum.

 

[ka3jjz]

To the OP - here are 2 links that will help with learning how to use Win500 since that's the software you said you were using...

Getting Started with Win500 - The RadioReference Wiki

wiki.radioreference.com

WIN500 - UtahRadio

www.utahradio.org

Mike

 

[okieman98]

ok i am trying to put in the ok win and the p25 i got the regular conventional freq installed, the closes tower is in the arbuckle mountains about 40 are so miles in Murray county iam pretty sure .that where most of them are. thanks all for trying i will upload one more time and try it, i will try to find the state form and try to see if i can find someone that can help for this area

 

[okieman98]

Yes putting in a wild-card for the p25 system only is a good idea. To the o p let us know your progress when you see these posts. Keep us updated on any new friends you meet on the state forum.

i did reinstall , and added the wild card, it worked for ohp f troop heard them. thanks will keep

 

[tvengr]

There is a site in Ardmore, Carter Co. The frequencies are 859.9875 and 860.9875. Delete any other frequencies you entered. Those should be the only two. System Type should be P25 Auto. MultiSite should be Off. Trunking tables should be Default.

 

[okieman98]

Yes I saw the park rangers, I also saw a lot of State Police talk groups and that's why I was asking you if you were patrolled by your own towns police or your county Police or the state police.

I looked up your county because that's what led me to the system. The database allows you to pick your county out by sight by clicking on it but I don't know Oklahoma so that's how I ended up in Carter County after looking it up on Google.

With the Statewide systems, local police often end up migrating to the Statewide systems. As I say your database information may not be even close to correct, not yet anyway.

People were talking about buying P2 simulcast radios. Not sure if that's relevant or not here as that's not in the database. Maybe it's for larger cities. I don't know the geography of Oklahoma any more than I do Beijing LOL. Carter County does have sites. Apparently sites are being shut down and being activated as we speak.

Does Healdton have its own Police Department? If so I did not see any old analog conventional frequencies for them which would lead me to think that they are migrated to the Statewide system even if that talk group isn't in the database available. I have no doubt that talk groups are missing in the database for the new P25 system.

I'm pretty good with this stuff and I noticed right away that the database didn't look right and didn't make sense to me. Do you have any major cities nearby? Maybe your hometown is involved in their system. Do you know if Carter County Sheriff's Department has their own conventional channels or are they involved in the Statewide system or a county system we don't know about. Fire dispatch is usually a County responsibility. Is Carter County a big County or is it more like Mayberry?

I'm at a great loss as to locations and their relationship to each other.

I just thought I would take a stab at it thinking maybe it would make sense and be easy to help you.

If it helps, if you put the systems in your radio as they stand in the database it very well might explain why you aren't hearing anything, it appears that the type II smartzone system is being slowly eliminated.

Try to find someone who lives near you on the State forum or someone who will steer you in the right direction for your county, my County is 650 square miles with a huge radio system of its own, your County may be very small.

Well I'm pretty tapped out here as far as what I can do for you but you are going to find out what's going on. Search Google for any questions you have and it'll direct you towards threads on RR and other boards. It also might direct you to State agencies that will explain the new radio system.

It's like being a detective. As I was saying you have a pretty good core of guys discussing it on the state system.

thanks my county is about the same size but still use conventional freq. but the next county over has a com center with the state wide systems they are on , we are mayberry county oil field and ranches ardmore okla is the biggest town

 

[okieman98]

thanks my county is about the same size but still use conventional freq. but the next county over has a com center with the state wide systems they are on , we are mayberry county oil field and ranches ardmore okla is the biggest town

they all do to some point we are a small town, so county ,state, and local pd. all pass here with wildlife, and parks sometimes not very often tho

 

[okieman98]

Hi all got a new scanner for a birthday present to replace my old one. tried to program from the data base but the guys helping me in the other form said it was a mess right now. and to come here for some local help. scanner is a ws 1065. want weather alerts , and to listen from okc to around gainsville tx. useing a trial of win500 on window 10.

 

[okieman98]

sorry did not see that this post got moved to the state form, i am using the wild card suggested above on the second upload and i have got troop f and some of the tribe and park rangers. on 859.9875 also was suggested , will add the other, going to listen and see what i can id before the next upload any one in okla have the inside scope on air vacs are eoc i selected them in the up load but have not heard anything on them as yet

 

[tvengr]

You need to put in both 859.9875 and 860.9875. 860.9875 is listed as the control channel. 859.9875 is the alternate which is used if there is a problem with 860.9875. If you don't have 860.9875, the trunking system will not work. You can enter TGID 2755 for Ardmore Troop F OHP dispatch and 2757 for OHP Ops. Take a look in the database at anything you would like to monitor. Enter the TGID and alpha tag for each one, Keep in mind that you will not hear anything that is some distance from your location. Once you have entered all of the talkgroups you want to monitor, you will see the alpha tags when they are received. If that is all you want to hear, you can remove the wildcard. If you want to hear everything else that is within range, leave the wildcard in. Remember that each talkgroup must be assigned to a scan list and the OKWIN system.