New Talk Wireless Site

[technoweenie]

It looks like some more changes in Niagara. Talk Wireless now has fairly busy DMR CAP+ site on Fonthill. I believe they used to have an old LTR system there and these are probably most of the same frequencies. Details submitted to database.

DMR CAP+
FREQ SITE LOCATION Site # CC Channels

420.5625 FONTHILL, ON 7 7 1/2
420.6625 FONTHILL, ON 7 7 3/4
420.7625 FONTHILL, ON 7 7 5/6
420.8625 FONTHILL, ON 7 7 7/8
420.9625 FONTHILL, ON 7 7 9/10

Talk groups seen Jan 24th 2024:
202
204
205
206
207
209
210
211
212
213
215
216
217
218
219
220

 

[mciupa]

Nice work.

If we can get some ID's on those talkgroups, I'll add those too!

FYI, these were the users before on LTR: Talk Wireless (LTR UHF) Trunking System, Hamilton, Fonthill, Ontario

 

[Saint]

I have a 436 scanner and I set it up as MOTOTRBO TRUNK, I think this is right????. But I see I need the LCN,S, so I think I am doing something wrong.
Steve

 

[mciupa]

The LCN's are 1,2,3,4,5 starting at .5625 up to .9625

 

[Saint]

The LCN's are 1,2,3,4,5 starting at .5625 up to .9625

Thanks so much, I'll keep a listen on the system for anything.
Steve

 

[Saint]

You can add talk group 3 to the list, audio was broken but in the clear

 

[Saint]

Talk Wireless,
On one of the long tg 2097367 my 436 scanner flashes XPT IN THE DIGITAL STATUS column. Are these long tg's private calls?
Steve

 

[Saint]

I have been listening for the whole day and I am not getting a good signal down in Fort Erie, I am not even getting one bar on my signal meter with the Uniden 436 Scanner. All the Talkgroups in this list are active, but the audio is too broken up to figure out who some of the Talkgroups belong to.
3 = Recycle Bin Truck
5
7
19
27
65
66
67
71
78
131
136
140
143
144 = Construction Trucks
145
146
147
151
152
153
155 = Construction
156
176
179
192 = Construction Trucks
200
202 = Roads Sander Truck
204 = Transportation/Taxi
205 = Could Be Fuel Oil Deliveries
207
208 = Construction
209 = Construction
210
211
211 = Garbage Trucks
212
213
215
215
216 = Construction
217 = Delivery Service
218
219 = Construction
220 = Construction
221
232
236
248
65539
262147
262357
2097359
2097360 = Construction
2097362
2097362
2097363
2097367
2097370
2097370
2097372
2097375
2162691
2686993
3145751
6291676
8388812
8388826
Steve

 

[VA3ADP]

Are we sure this isnt part of the current Talk Wireless Niagara System and just an additional site? Just saw 204 (ENC) pop up on there. its also showing Tier III on my end. Unless its bleed over from FleetConnect, Federal, or ET.

 

[XBrandonEdwardX]

Are we sure this isnt part of the current Talk Wireless Niagara System and just an additional site? Just saw 204 (ENC) pop up on there. its also showing Tier III on my end. Unless its bleed over from FleetConnect, Federal, or ET.

Do you know what site, frequency, etc. the talkgroup 204 popped up on? Because This system is coming up as a CAP+ frequency for me here in Niagara Falls.

I am confused about some information regarding this system as it doesn't make any sense. As someone who owns a MotoTBRO Capacity Plus system, I can confirm that the talkgroup IDs can only be from 1 to 254 (255 is the cap+ all call). This is standard for both single and multisite.

Next, I am seeing talkgroups of "65539" which are way above 255, and also way out of range of the Radio ID numbers as well. The Radio IDs can only be from 1 to 65535. See the screenshots below from the MotoTRBO CPS.

I have a strange feeling there's two systems getting mixed here.

 

[VA3ADP]

Do you know what site, frequency, etc. the talkgroup 204 popped up on? Because This system is coming up as a CAP+ frequency for me here in Niagara Falls.

I am confused about some information regarding this system as it doesn't make any sense. As someone who owns a MotoTBRO Capacity Plus system, I can confirm that the talkgroup IDs can only be from 1 to 254 (255 is the cap+ all call). This is standard for both single and multisite.

Next, I am seeing talkgroups of "65539" which are way above 255, and also way out of range of the Radio ID numbers as well. The Radio IDs can only be from 1 to 65535. See the screenshots below from the MotoTRBO CPS.

I have a strange feeling there's two systems getting mixed here.View attachment 155641View attachment 155642

I can't recall, but perhaps both systems are connected...

 

[inmarsat]

This has been going on for well over a year and a half. Look at my post....two systems using the same frequencies....all the talk groups that were on Federal Wireless have move too this system...taxi, water delivery, waste disposal etc.

de VE3BEE

 

[mciupa]

I did a side by side comparison of talkgroups and since I see no duplicate talkgroups, I've imported the Fonthill site and talkgroups into one sytem now: Talk Wireless Trunking System, Niagara Falls, Fonthill, Ontario

Here is the discussion from Nov. 2022 Two systems using the same frequency?

 

[XBrandonEdwardX]

I did a side by side comparison of talkgroups and since I see no duplicate talkgroups, I've imported the Fonthill site and talkgroups into one sytem now: Talk Wireless Trunking System, Niagara Falls, Fonthill, Ontario

Here is the discussion from Nov. 2022 Two systems using the same frequency?

That might not have been a great idea. Each capacity plus system can consist of 254 talkgroups. If they do start to link talkgroups, you're going to have to separate the systems again as the data won't be accurate. As an example of what I mean (based on previous posts here):

DEC	Mode	Alpha Tag	Description	Tag
204	TE	Encrypted	Encrypted	Unidentified
204	T	Taxi	Taxi	Transportation

We can't confirm nor deny that the two "204" talkgroups are separate. However, the unencrypted traffic has been identified as a "Taxi" service. I don't personally believe that someone would be using half encryption, half clear call. From someone who does comms for living, I can speak that the company I work for simply creates one codeplug and then duplicates it into each radio with a separate ID.

This has been going on for well over a year and a half. Look at my post....two systems using the same frequencies....all the talk groups that were on Federal Wireless have move too this system...taxi, water delivery, waste disposal etc.

de VE3BEE

I do agree with you. I haven't gone too in depth to search for these said frequencies, and monitor what's going on. But what I can say is this... any talkgroup above 254 is not part of the said Capacity Plus system. This could be Tier III or the deprecated Connect Plus, I am not sure. As I mentioned before a Capacity Plus system is only capable of 254 programmable talkgroups; 255 if you want to count the "All Call" talkgroup, which I doubt they would be using often. Simply because on Capacity plus, one "All Call" goes to the entire system. There would be no way to separate the "Niagara Parks Commission" from say the "Hilton Hotel."

 

[mciupa]

We will see how this plays out.
I have the separated the Talk Wireless - Fonthill site sitting in the deprecated directory. A few mouse clicks can restore it to the main listing once again, and a couple of more can remove if from the current system.

 

[XBrandonEdwardX]

We will see how this plays out.
I have the separated the Talk Wireless - Fonthill site sitting in the deprecated directory. A few mouse clicks can restore it to the main listing once again, and a couple of more can remove if from the current system.

Sounds good.

 

[slicerwizard]

Sheesh. You guys need to use proper gear.

Junk     Hex     Cap+TG

2097359  2000CF  207
2097360  2000D0  208
2097362  2000D2  210
2097363  2000D3  211
2097367  2000D7  215
2097370  2000DA  218
2097372  2000DC  220
2097375  2000DF  223
2162691  210003  3
2686993  290011  17
3145751  300017  23
6291676  6000DC  220
8388812  8000CC  204
8388826  8000DA  218

 

[XBrandonEdwardX]

Sheesh. You guys need to use proper gear.

Junk     Hex     Cap+TG

2097359  2000CF  207
2097360  2000D0  208
2097362  2000D2  210
2097363  2000D3  211
2097367  2000D7  215
2097370  2000DA  218
2097372  2000DC  220
2097375  2000DF  223
2162691  210003  3
2686993  290011  17
3145751  300017  23
6291676  6000DC  220
8388812  8000CC  204
8388826  8000DA  218

Well, now that you put it this way, it makes sense. I wasn't really paying attention that there needed to be some conversions going on. I can confirm that some of those talkgroups are consistent with what I have seen on the 'Hilton Hotel' site.