Newark NJ Fire Ch.4

[Tac-1]

Does anyone know the Pl tone used on newark fires new channel 4 - 154.3100 R

Thanks for any info

 

[Joseph11]

Probably 162.2 Hz, like the others.

 

[railtrailbiker]

What is channel 4 being used for? 154.31 is the primary dispatch frequency for Ridgewood & Glen Rock FD's, which are less than 15 air miles from Newark. Just curious to know how much traffic Newark will have on their new frequency. Thanks.

 

[Tac-1]

Not Much

They are using it as a secondary freq , whe there is an active fire on the primary any other calls are directed to ch 3 or 4

 

[mikea7531]

154.31 is a major Fire Paging & Ops channel in Somerset County. This is an already crowded channel in this area, and we don't need a repeater on it to cause more problems!

 

[jaymatt1978]

I don't think 154.310 will be repeated in Newark, at least I hope not. Just to clarify about Ridgewood and Glen Rock, they simulcast their tone outs on 158.9400 and 154.3100. 154.3100 is primilary used as a fiireground channel!

 

[Sybex7254]

Yes it will. It's licensed for a 110 Watt Mobile Relay repeater. If you're worried about interferrence that's what PL's and DPL's are for! You're gonna need to use them depending on how active this new frequency will be.

Shouldn't be a problem however. 154.784 is used by Nutley PD, Hunterdon Co. PD and Rockaway Twp. PD all with various PL's and I've picked up each one without issues.

As a side note some may remember that this frequency is the old East Orange FD primary frequency. Wonder if Newark got some old euipment from them?

 

[jaymatt1978]

I thought the FCC stopped issuing new licenses for wideband frequencies?????

 

[mikea7531]

Well, in this area, Multiple towns in our county have diffent PLs for 154.31, and part of the plan is that all agencies are supposed to have Carrier on recieve, and the PL on transmit.

::start rant::
Somerset County has had bad expierences when the nearby "big" cities are using repeaters on our simplex frequencies. For example:

JEMS 1 - 155.235 - Is the repeater output for a Jersey City EMS repeater, and let me tell you how many times we are stepped on because of them. I believe that the FCC is not doing enough to make sure they are not overcrowding frequencies.
::end rant::

That's enough of my ranting for now, but i don't think Newark needs a repeater for their fire operations.

 

[railtrailbiker]

Why in the world would you encode PL if you had no intention of decoding it??????????

And don't blame the FCC. The fault lies primarily with state frequency coordinators who approve requests without giving due consideration to problems that might develop down the road.

In my area, Mahwah and Ramsey PD's were assigned primary frequencies that are used also by Newark and Jersey City (460.200 and 460.375 respectively). Why these two municipalities weren't assinged 12.5 KHz splinter channels just boggles my mind!

 

[mikea7531]

The reason why for the Transmit PL and no Recieve PL goes back to the days when most of the municipalities did their own dispatching. The base stations had PL on recieve, so that they only heard their own town. Mobiles and Portables had no Recieve PLs because of interoperability (They can go into another town and the FDs can talk to each other). That is the reason why we have Transmit PLs and no Recieve PLs.

 

[railtrailbiker]

Out of town base stations transmitting while mobiles and portables from other towns are attempting to communicate is the primary cause of most interference I hear.

Therefore, it would make no sense for base stations to PL monitor on a full time basis. At the very least, a base station operator should not be able to transmit without first engaging a "PL off" device of some sort.

 

[mikea7531]

We rarely have any interfearence from any base station transmitters in our county. These people are the very few that actually use that button next to the transmit button on the desk mics.

The problem we always have here is the 'big' cities using overpowered repeaters and constantly stepping on us. There are times i cannot raise county communications from St. Peters or Robert Woods in New Brunswick because we're getting stepped on by Jersey City. This has always been the problem here - the State Coords and the FCC has not done enough to try to eliminate the problem.

 

[railtrailbiker]

Frequency coordination is a very critical task. Unfortunately, there are many coordinators who have never listened to a scanner, nor used two-way radio extensively themselves. Some are just paper pushers and approve any application that comes in.

 

[Sybex7254]

The problem we always have here is the 'big' cities using overpowered repeaters and constantly stepping on us.

Won't many of these problems go away when Somerset County EMS and FD switch over to the TRS?

 

[mikea7531]

Not everyone is switching over to the TRS - it may be another 10 years before everyone is on it. As it stands right now, if you want your dept on the TRS, your dept has to pay for the radios. At $2k - $3k a radio, this can get quite expensive. Small towns like Rocky Hill, South Bound Brook, Far Hills, and such don't have the money to put their voulenteers on the TRS. They have no plans on phasing out VHF, and they are not forcing anyone to move over to the TRS.

 

[joedisp]

Newark Fire 4 is repeated (154.310 old EOFD Freq. They used it for many years in a repeater mode). Newark FD 4 repeater RX is 154.310 DPL 162.