NS9710
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I noticed when the person on the radio is finished transmitting they go "Thank you, NT", what would the NT stand for?
Niagara Falls Transportation Authority Radio Operation question.
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What's confusing me is why the control operators and bus driver/paratransit operators end with that
They can use it as an acknowledgement, a question or statement, In Rochester they use RT. I installed the radios for RTS back in the day and you get used to how someone is speaking and the deflection in their voice and recognize what they mean. Think of it as 10-4 or a Roger beep.
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I do find it interesting that RTS in Monroe and Ontario county went to the counties P25 trunk system, I found it a little odd that they wanted to get on the system, at first I thought maybe RTS wanted better communication between Monroe and Ontario but I have yet to hear any real interaction between Monroe RTS and Ontario RTS. The thing that makes it even more odd with RTS is Genesee and Orleans did not go on their trunk system that those counties have and same with with RTS Livingston. They are all just analog UHF.
Any insight into that?
The Genesee, Orleans and Livingston trunk systems are a separate entity from Monroe/Ontario so there probably was no cost benefit or other incentive for them to go on the system and no need for multiple TGs like RTS. But there probably was some benefit to use Ontario since it is part of the same system.
They might not be "using" the Ontario County part of the system. At least one Ontario County site carries Monroe County talkgroups if a unit gets close enough to bring it up.
RTS is operated by a State authority (RGRTA), and NFTA is also a State authority, so they might be saving taxpayer funds by using a regional system rather than their own.
RTS is operated by a State authority (RGRTA), and NFTA is also a State authority, so they might be saving taxpayer funds by using a regional system rather than their own.
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No RTS Ontario DOES use the Ontario county part of the system FULL TIME, TG
| 8648 | 21c8 | D | RTS Ontario | RTS Ontario | Transportation |
If you took the time to look at the RRDB for Monroe/Ontario before you posted, rather than speculating, you would see:
8648 21c8 D RTS Ontario RTS Ontario Transportation
Ah, thank you, I stand corrected. When I visit Rochester nowadays, I'm not usually there long enough for deep dives.
The other counties remained on existing conventional systems and no reason to change since they are basically separate operations.
Roadwolf
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NT just stands for eNd of Transmission. Not Niagara Transit. And the F stands for Frontier not Falls btw.
I believe it is really a combination of the operating company initials and the defined meaning as equivalent to "10-4" as a question or response.
Rochester Transit uses "RT" and defines it as "Received Transmission" and Niagara Transit uses "NT" defined as "eNd Transmission"
So it means either "Did you receive/understand my transmission?" or "I received and understand you transmission"
Sometimes the use seems redundant but it serves the purpose. Typical example
BUS "This is 123 Block with 436 Bus, I am inbound and the heat is not working properly in this bus RT?"
DISP " 123 Block, RT, your heat isn't working. I will get you a changeout at the Transit Center RT?"
BUS "123 Block RT"
Roadwolf
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As someone who works there on the radio systems, I can assure you there is no other meaning. And it is used here at the end of the conversation. Not the end of each message.
I would agree with the NT use and the intent is the same. Both parties agree the message is understood, same as 10-4, and the conversation is ended.
The RT use has the same purpose but, as I said - somewhat redundant at times, they also use it for any transmission asking for or confirming a response during an ongoing conversation as well as confirming the end of the conversation. In any event, the use of NT and RT by the respective agencies, and its meaning, is essentially the same as the common Public Safety use of 10-4.
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I believe for the bus operations it is a signal that they understand the instruction. So for union stuff, its like 10-4 yes, but unique. But if you ask anyone in Bus operations here, they would laugh at you for suggesting it means 'Niagara Transit'. 
NS9710
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Redwolf is correct here in the statement that “NT” is used at the end of the conversation, not during it.
Example:
Operator: Bus 001 I have a patron who needs route 58, but doesn’t know where the nearest stop is, I’m at 1st and second streets on the west end.
Customer Service Rep: The closest stop would be 6 blocks to their south then turn left 2 blocks and the next bus is due in 45 minutes.
Operator: Okay we got all that, NT.
Example:
Operator: Bus 001 I have a patron who needs route 58, but doesn’t know where the nearest stop is, I’m at 1st and second streets on the west end.
Customer Service Rep: The closest stop would be 6 blocks to their south then turn left 2 blocks and the next bus is due in 45 minutes.
Operator: Okay we got all that, NT.
