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I keep getting a "mac truck idleing sound" stopping my scanner on several channels, do i need to delete these channels or do they serve a purpose? I am brand new to this radio scanner world and i dont have a clue what most of this stuff is for, so please any help or info would be most appreciated.
 

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Are they frequencies your trying to monitor? If they serve no purpose to you delete them or simply lock them out. How is the squelch set? Are you using your attenuator? If you give us more information I'm sure somebody here will help you out!!!
 

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im not sure what the frequencies are for, i assume i put them in i got all the codes from this website when i bought the scanner. the squelch is set to were you dont hear the fuzz sound anymore, and i dont know what an attenuator is sorry. thank you for your reply i appreciate it.
 

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Without knowing the frequency, it sounds like you may be listening to a digital channel in analog mode. If it is APCO P25 and you have a digital scanner, and the digital signal is not encrypted you can program the scanner to decode it. (How is a long and detailed process best left to someone with an identical scanner preferably in the same area, or lots of trial and error.)

If you have an analog only scanner, your only choice is to lock it out.
 
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i have a radio shack200 channel weather alert hand held. the channels that do the mac truck thing seem to all begin with 460. other than that i dont know if its digital or analog. im trying to find the box.
 

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What model and brand scanner are you using? This will let us know if it's digital or analog and what frequencies are they? Tell us if they are conventional or trunked. If we know what frequency and what department we can look them up in the database here so we can tell if the transmit mode is compatible with your scanner or not.

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I keep getting a "mac truck idleing sound" stopping my scanner on several channels, do i need to delete these channels or do they serve a purpose? I am brand new to this radio scanner world and i dont have a clue what most of this stuff is for, so please any help or info would be most appreciated.
 

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its a pro-404 hand held scanner i think made by radio shack. im sorry my msgs arent being posted the site has a rule of a new persons first four posts must be approved by a moderator before they are posted.
 

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the sound

when you listen to motorola trunk systems the best way to describe the sound is a diesel engine at fast idle.
they can turn up on many frequencies or even be an image if too close to the transmitter.
the attenuation feature is meant to cut down on signal strength to help in this situation.
like was mentioned we need more info.
 

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imho

i am a firm beleiver in

THAT WHICH YOU CAN NOT CHANGE...YOU MUST MAKE FUN OF!

life is too short to worry. just have fun
ok ex new jersey
DONTWORRYABOUTIT
 

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Are you trying to monitor the West Virginia SIRN system? If so, your scanner doesn't support P25 voice or trunking, and you are likely hearing the control channels from the sites you are in range of. If you want to monitor this system, you will need a digital capable scanner.
 

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the codes i programmed into the scanner when i bought it came from the code bank on this website. i looked up the individual codes for each freguency i was wanting to tune into. the raleigh county sherrif and local beckley police and ambulance services. i couldnt find any for the state police or smaller pd departments. i dont know if they are of the sirn system or not. i dont know what p25 voice and trunking mean.
 

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Hope this points you in the right direction. If you start at the beginning it will lead you to trunking.

Radio 101

AM - Amplitude Modulation- Picture a line graph with a spike in the middle. The voice to be sent causes the transmitter’s signal strength to rapidly shift up and down to send the information. For Scanners, AM is limited to CB radio (27MHz) and aircraft (108-136 MHz)

FM - Frequency Modulation- Picture the same graph. The voice or data shifts the transmitter’s frequency slightly left and right (lower and higher in frequency) to send the information. Most of the scanner world is FM. Wide and Narrow refers in part to how far the transmitter shifts the actual freqiuency away from the published center frequency.

Analog – in very simple terms, the microphone directly controls the modulation of the transmitter (AM or FM from above). All scanners work on analog.

Digital – in very simple terms, a program (codec) listens to the microphone and converts the voice to digital 1’s and 0’s. The transmitter sends the 1’s and 0’s by shift-hold-shift-holding the freqnency. Only digital receivers can detect the 1’s and 0’s and reassemble them back into a voice.

Apco P25 is the common public safety format. Digital formats also include EDACS, Trbo, NXDN, Tetra, Open Sky, and many others. Different digital formats are incompatible. Some formats can not be programmed into scanners.

Encryption - Scramble the voice or digital bits so scanners can’t decode the voice. Encryption varies from 'easy to bust' to 'forget about it'.

Simplex - My radio transmits directly to your radio. Your radio transmits directly to mine. We both transmit on and listen to the same frequency. If we are too far apart or there are hills, mountains or buildings in the way we can’t talk. Simplex can be analog or digital. Program the RR first column "Frequency" into your scanner. The second "Input" column will be blank. If a mobile transmitter is far away or blocked by things, a scanner won’t pick it up.

Repeater - Put a receiver on something tall. The tall receiver can then hear the mobiles over a wide area when they transmit on the uplink frequency. Hook a big transmitter to the tall receiver and have it simultaneously transmit everything it hears back out over a wide area, using a different downlink frequency.

Obstructions and distance between mobiles no longer matter. If the repeater can hear both of us and we can both hear the repeater, we can talk. Sometimes the downlink frequency will also be used simplex.

Repeaters can be analog or digital. Program the repeater downlink [RR first column "Frequency"] into your scanner. Normally the mobile uplink 'Input' frequency is useless for you. Usually, there will only be one agency or small town on a particular repeater.

Trunking - A system with 3 or more interlinked repeaters, possibly hundreds in multi-site systems. The small number of repeaters is shared by dozens to thousands of users and agencies. An automatic 'trunking controller' acts as traffic cop and controls all radios in the trunking system.

Instead of having a full-time dedicated “Apple Sheriff’s Repeater”, there is a virtual trunking channel called “Apple Sheriff’s Talkgroup”, or "TG". The mobile radios used on the system are allowed to only access specific talkgroups, and not access other talkgroups. When not actively on a temporarily assigned frequency using a talkgroup, receivers monitor the control channel for trunking controller instructions.

A college or casino may have a dozen talkgroups and 2 or 3 repeaters at a single site. A county trunking system can have hundreds of talkgroups, 6 repeaters at one site and 4 more at another site. Statewide multi-site systems can have thousands of talkgroups, and many interconnected sites with 6 to 8 repeaters each.
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Sharing works because everyone doesn’t talk at once. Sounds complicated, but it works very well.

Scanning trunked systems - Older trunking systems are analog. Most new systems are digital. For most trunking scanners, the actual voice frequencies are not programmed into a scanner. Instead, most scanners only need to be programmed to the type of system and the trunking system’s “Control Channel”. The RR database shows these in RED. Locate your local sites and try them all. Different scanners require different setup.

Just like the 'real' radios on the street, your scanner will receive instructions sent on the control channel by the trunking controller to automatically change to a voice frequency to follow a talkgroup. You can program your scanner to follow a list of allowed talkgroups (Apple PD TG, Fire TG and EMS TG) and ignore others (Dog Catcher TG, Park Mowers TG, Meter Readers TG). Or you can set it to listen for and follow all talkgroups.

On multi-site systems, only talkgroups with active (registersd) local users will be heard. Talkgroups that don't have registered users nearby will not.
 
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Maybe this can help in regards to trunking. Lots of information her just take your time and surf look read, play and ask questions.

Trunked Radio Systems - The RadioReference Wiki







its a pro-404 hand held scanner i think made by radio shack. im sorry my msgs arent being posted the site has a rule of a new persons first four posts must be approved by a moderator before they are posted.
 
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