OCPD Interop Links become ACTIVE

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freqscout

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I am currently listening to Bethany PD (337) on the EDACS system!

It appears that there is some movement towards making the other half of the system available. I have been informed that this is going to be the real show and that the links will be online for good. We will see if they need an work first though I'm sure.

The activity is in analog as I am hearing it on my scanner.

(I just saw where this is not the first occurrance.)
 
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More Patches are active.

Village PD, El Reno PD, Midwest City PD, and Oklahoma County Sheriff's Office are active patches, too.
 
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There is also activity on EMSA1, RMA 2, and RMA 3 on the EDACS system that corresponds with the TG's on the state side.
 

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This will certainly be nice for Freqscout and other OCPD officers. They need to talk directly with a Warr Acres (for example) officer, just switch over to that talkgroup. Still waiting to see how it works the other way - a Warr Acres officer needing to communicate directly with an OCPD officer. Without asking dispatch to call OCPD dispatch and have the officer switch to the Warr Acres interop channel. In other words, it's a one-way two-way system. And, it's just lovely that I can now monitor every LE agency on an analog VHF or UHF channel AND a talkgroup on OKC, But won't be able to monitor OCPD at all once the VHF links go down. (unless a VHF/UHF/800 link stays active 24/7)

Now removing the curmudgeon hat and replacing it with the normal aluminum foil hat.
 

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Regardless of where you stand on the issue of interoperability there is something to be said for the fact that the interop part of the system is at least becoming active for use. It is the largest undertaking by any agency for interop in the metro so getting it online has probably been a nightmare of an undertaking.

There was some training today on using the interop side. That is the next big hurdle for the use of the system, training it's users.
 

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I belive that other departments can key up on the pd channels....I know i had a forrest park officers key up on springlake a few days ago so I know that it is possible
 
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On VHF Radios when That goes Bye, Bye then you will see the other agences can't talk to you..
 
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I would like to know if the patchs are up 24/7/365 or just when the O.C.P.D. officer switches over to that patch T.G.??
 

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Links are only active when a radio is affiliated on the system side.
Otherwise there would be about 20-25 constantly active patches that would clog out the user traffic on the system which doesn't have that many voice channels with each site anyhow.
 
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I'll temporarily remove my self-imposed gag order ;-)

KK5FM and I were talking at one point about how two-way interoperability (isn't that redundant?) might work, given current limitations. His thought involved using a new channel with a different PL tone to "activate" the link. My thought on that was that it wasn't practical, because even if you have this new "channel" for a outside agency's officer to switch to in order to activate the link, how would the system unlink? Would it be timed, and if so for how long? Would the EDACS system have the ability to "listen" for the new PL tone without using valuable resources? Even then, you still have the issue of other agencies not being able to hear OCPD dispatch, without spending money to get their own radios, which eliminates the need for the causeway. Unless you're talking about only buying one radio for your dispatcher, which still leaves the officer in the field at a disadvantage.

I'm rambling. Let me try to concisely list the options as I see them. First, and without giving my own opinions, let me qualify the following in that it applies only to police officers. The reason is, that in talking with both fire and police officials, it is fire's opinion that links do not need to be initiated by individual firefighters, and various police departments' opinions that individual officers need to both monitor and initiate communications between agencies. That said, here are the options:

  1. EDACS user creates link by switching to MA channel
  2. Link on all the time
  3. No link
  4. Link initiated by both EDACS user and Outside agency user
  5. Outside agencies purchase one EDACS radio for dispatch
  6. Outside agencies purchase individual radios for all officers

#1 - other agencies have said that they are concerned if they need the link created, that valuable time would be lost in expecting their dispatcher to place a phone call to OCPD dispatch to request the link, given that their dispatcher would likely be too busy to immediately place that call.

#2 - there is concern that this would, at best be a waste of system resources, and at worst that the system is not capable of the load.

#3 - No interoperability

#4 - OKC officials have said that this is not possible, and have down-played any such need.

#5 - Outside agencies have expressed logistical concerns, and have said that even this option does not satisfy the need for individual officers to keep their current ability to monitor OCPD dispatch traffic, and initiate communications.

#6 - Outside agencies have, without exception, said that they do not have the funds to purchase individual radios or to lease them. OKC says that there are federal funds available, but no one can point to where those funds might be available. Further, this option might be redundant to the State's initiative to give all first responders DPS system-capable radios through US Dept of Homeland Security grants.

Given that some have suggested there might be a conflict of interest with me expressing an opinion, I'll stick to logistical comments. Does anyone else have opinions on how to further improve law enforcement interoperability with the EDACS system?

**have I re-opened a can of worms?**
 

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Won't other agencies (and scanner listeners as well) at least be able to monitor OCPD's main four district channels on the state DPS system when they are patched? If they are hard patched (as I've read), then everyone should be able to spend a minimum of $100 on a trunked scanner and be able to hear them (for interoperability). Isn't this the case?
 
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freqscout said:
Links are only active when a radio is affiliated on the system side.
Otherwise there would be about 20-25 constantly active patches that would clog out the user traffic on the system which doesn't have that many voice channels with each site anyhow.

Ok thanks F.S.
 
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Gilligan said:
Won't other agencies (and scanner listeners as well) at least be able to monitor OCPD's main four district channels on the state DPS system when they are patched? If they are hard patched (as I've read), then everyone should be able to spend a minimum of $100 on a trunked scanner and be able to hear them (for interoperability). Isn't this the case?


Yes the 5 dispatch T.G.s for O.C.P.D. and the 7 T.G.s (Fire Ops- Fire tac 1-6) for the O.C.F.D. will be hard patched to the State's D.P.S. 800 T.R.S. so yes Gilligan is right on..
 

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PolarBear25 said:
Yes the 5 dispatch T.G.s for O.C.P.D. and the 7 T.G.s (Fire Ops- Fire tac 1-6) for the O.C.F.D. will be hard patched to the State's D.P.S. 800 T.R.S. so yes Gilligan is right on..

Unless I missed something, there are no plans to patch fire. As for PD, the last I knew there was a very loose plan to do this "at some point", but there was not even a target date, because the infrastructure needed to be built-out, and there is no funding for that right now. So, we're a long way off from being able to listen to PD on the DPS system, unless, like I said, I've missed something, which is entirely possible...
 
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d_stew said:
Unless I missed something, there are no plans to patch fire. As for PD, the last I knew there was a very loose plan to do this "at some point", but there was not even a target date, because the infrastructure needed to be built-out, and there is no funding for that right now. So, we're a long way off from being able to listen to PD on the DPS system, unless, like I said, I've missed something, which is entirely possible...

Look at what there doing in Broken Arrow there going to do the same thing in OKC..
 

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Look at what there doing in Broken Arrow there going to do the same thing in OKC..

if your talking about the BA system links, they've been around for along time, but aren't really utilized for much of anything. I identified them over 6 months ago, and the first real traffic that's been heard has just been here recently.
 

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that doesn't even make sense. Why would OKC do the same thing as another agency a couple hours away, when none of the same conditions exist? I think you're little bird doesn't know what he's talking about.
 
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