Opeations/ Communications Security
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RayK
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I started this thread because OPSEC/COMMSEC was discussed in the MILAIR LISTENER'S GUIDE.
We have all heard EMERGENCY ACTION MESSAGE's on UHF/HF. Ain't no way you'll ever figureout the message content. Callsign's used haven't changed in age's, no commsec violation here. C/S alert's aircraft to type of message. Most EAM's are for training.
I have heard a few phone patch's on MARS that gave out
info that was borderline OPSEC.
The C/S used for training flight's are usually static. I have read some interesting post RE: C/S's in the MD forum.
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We have all heard EMERGENCY ACTION MESSAGE's on UHF/HF. Ain't no way you'll ever figureout the message content. Callsign's used haven't changed in age's, no commsec violation here. C/S alert's aircraft to type of message. Most EAM's are for training.
I have heard a few phone patch's on MARS that gave out
info that was borderline OPSEC.
The C/S used for training flight's are usually static. I have read some interesting post RE: C/S's in the MD forum.
BMT
SkipSanders
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There are, however, serious security violations on the air from time to time. Not, of course, only on military frequencies...
My own tale, from a friend:
FBI/NIS working a surveillance in the motel his family is managing, borrowing a room. He's there, chatting, has his own scanner with him, yes, monitoring NIS. Suddenly from the NIS channel comes a unit up at Miramar NAS (This was long ago, folks), investigating an alarm at the nuclear weapons bunker. (Security Violation 1, they don't officially admit there ARE nuclear weapons there).
He's there, he's forgotten his little book of info, talking to the base station at Miramar. Asks for the alarm disarm code to said bunker door. They give it to him, yes, in clear, open channel. (Security Violation 2) Also asks for, and gets, lock code. (And it's the triple, for the win!)
NIS and FBI, back at the surveillance, look at each other. 'I didn't hear what I think I did, did I?' 'Yes, yes, you did!' Friend is nodding to them. Many sighs. They phone Miramar NIS and Base Commander, to start up the required investigation for such major security breaches. Expect some idiot got to visit a new duty post with less than nice conditions.
My own tale, from a friend:
FBI/NIS working a surveillance in the motel his family is managing, borrowing a room. He's there, chatting, has his own scanner with him, yes, monitoring NIS. Suddenly from the NIS channel comes a unit up at Miramar NAS (This was long ago, folks), investigating an alarm at the nuclear weapons bunker. (Security Violation 1, they don't officially admit there ARE nuclear weapons there).
He's there, he's forgotten his little book of info, talking to the base station at Miramar. Asks for the alarm disarm code to said bunker door. They give it to him, yes, in clear, open channel. (Security Violation 2) Also asks for, and gets, lock code. (And it's the triple, for the win!)
NIS and FBI, back at the surveillance, look at each other. 'I didn't hear what I think I did, did I?' 'Yes, yes, you did!' Friend is nodding to them. Many sighs. They phone Miramar NIS and Base Commander, to start up the required investigation for such major security breaches. Expect some idiot got to visit a new duty post with less than nice conditions.
gcgrotz
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One of the best I've ever heard there Skip! I hope they immediately changed all the door codes.
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That's the kind of thing that keeps you awake at night. Doubt it would/could happen today, but anything is possible.
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I have heard many times service companies that make house calls reading peoples credit card numbers with the 3-digit code on the back over the air (repeater of course). This is how they process peoples payments to them for their service! Instead of doing paperwork, they just read the cc info. over the radio to the dispatcher who processes it. Unbelieveable!
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