Our PD knows which set caused interference!

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Hi all,

Pretty new to scanning.
Today one officer's set was continuosly transmitting (apparantly without his knowledge). Obviously this caused major problem for the department. Within a minute or so, I heard it was caused by vertex set in XX sector. Soon enough, the set was turned off and the problem is resolved. That's cool, isn't it?

Frequency was 453.99375 mHz with DCS as 743.
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Yes it is, there are any number of ways to tell, it either unkeyed (stopped transmitting) and that sound you asked about told them which radio, or the system uses voting receivers so they knew which sector the key up was coming from. Actually there are other way such as CTCSS/DCS used exclusively in that sector.
 

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n2mdk said:
Yes it is, there are any number of ways to tell, it either unkeyed (stopped transmitting) and that sound you asked about told them which radio, or the system uses voting receivers so they knew which sector the key up was coming from. Actually there are other way such as CTCSS/DCS used exclusively in that sector.

Aha, I am slowly getting the big picture now. I guess it also prevents possible misuse of the radio if someone tries to impersonate. "Tango 45 this is Tango Control" type of mischief won't be possible.

What if the set gets stolen though? There must be some kind of GPS receiver built-in that would immediately pinpoint its whereabouts too eh?

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Actually no, no GPS, but through RDF (radio direction finding) they can track down the radio. On a trunked system the administrators can disable the radios. Generally with a lost or stolen radio it has a limited life, when the battery dies it's useless, unless you go out and by a charger. With things like voting receivers, selective tone coding and the ANI code on the radio it can be tracked down if the person uses it.
 

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Hi Scan and all,

"I guess it also prevents possible misuse of the radio if someone tries to impersonate. "Tango 45 this is Tango Control" type of mischief won't be possible."

Anything is possible but the fool gets caught sooner or later since there are a number of ways to trace the radio and it's location. Sorry, but most are just a bit beyond the scope of this discussion.

"What if the set gets stolen though?"

Same thing, most have a unit ID so they know which unit is transmitting and in systems employing repeaters with remote receivers the area can be found very quickly and easily as someone has already stated. To pinpoint the location inside or out of the primary coverage area direction finding mobiles are used, privately or by the FCC.

Between us we've covered the common ways of locating a radio transmitter so here's a short story of one of my personal experiences just to illustrate one. A long time ago in a police department far away before unit ID was invented a company I was a technical consultant for called me in to locate the source of jamming on a repeater system. Being a remote repeater located in a closet in an untraveled area of an industrial site I was elected to monitor the voter (punny but not funny to me at least). For a week of late nights running I kept a log of which receiver was picking up the music and nonsense, then I submitted it to the Watch Commander for comparison to the multi track tape that records and time/date stamps all radio and telephone communications. Naturally they matched and with this evidence they took appropriate action against the officer responsible. This guy was a screwup from the git go and after a few more stupid stunts he was terminated.

There are eight million stories in The Naked City and this has been one of them. Tune in again for next week's episode, Hitler Bites The Dust. (Yeah, that's what he called himself and he went down HARD!)
 

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n2mdk said:
Actually no, no GPS, but through RDF (radio direction finding) they can track down the radio. On a trunked system the administrators can disable the radios. Generally with a lost or stolen radio it has a limited life, when the battery dies it's useless, unless you go out and by a charger. With things like voting receivers, selective tone coding and the ANI code on the radio it can be tracked down if the person uses it.

I have asked the question about GPS (and why they don't use it) on here and some said they do (in some locations). Not so much for this problem but it would be very useful with others. If dispatch loses contact with an officer (heard it happen a few times, its a scary situation) they can pinpoint their exact location (or at least the locations of the radio) instead of the usual "last known location." I understand the costs of implementing such a system would be a lot but if it were used to save one officers life I think it would be more than worth the cost in dollars.
 

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How do they do DF'ing if the vehicle is only hitting one tower? In this case you'd know the direction off of that tower but not the distance.
 
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