PGFD TGID 1133

[Firemantincan]

TGID 1133 seems to be 8A2 (possibly) but it is not listed in the RRDB. It's been in use for a long time. Does the DB not get updated often or is this a bad id?

 

[Whiskey3JMC]

Database gets updated when someone with the verified info submits the update. If you have confirmed info on the talkgroup's usage, feel free to submit an update

 

[N4VKF]

Is that dispatch for north or south? I think the DB already has a 8A2 listed.

 

[maus92]

It's a simulcast of 8A2 - I'm not sure of its purpose, but it has been around for a while. I'm also not sure if it is strapped to be always on, or only used when a field subscriber is affiliating with the tg. Better to monitor 1151. There are also tac tgs that are simulcasted.

 

[Firemantincan]

I always hear ambos clearing the hospital on it. It's almost like 1151 is the AVD TGID and 1133 Is the actual channel.

 

[maus92]

8A2 is not monitored by a dispatcher, it is totally automated voice. I'd listen to to 1133 to determine if it is actually patches two tgs together like 8A2 and 8A1.

 

[N4VKF]

Listening to OpenMhz they have 8A2 listed as 1135. I am not sure what is valid now in the DB. and 8B11 appears to be a EMS talk or clearance channel.

 

[Firemantincan]

1133 is 8A1. 1153 is also 8A1. There are also three TGIDs for 8A2 (1151,1135, and 1137).

I have a feeling that we may be seeing 8A1 (1153), 8B1 (1133), and 8A2, 8B2, and 8C2 here. I would have to use one of the radios to figure that out though.

 

[Tonyb5852]

Ok mystery solved 8A1 was simulcast to 8C1. The county has since changed that,8A1( is strictly Northside units. And the TG marked as AVD is the same as 8A2, but I am guessing that since it is bo longer a dispatch channel,they wanted that to reflect on the TG tag.

 

[N4VKF]

Ok mystery solved 8A1 was simulcast to 8C1. The county has since changed that,8A1( is strictly Northside units. And the TG marked as AVD is the same as 8A2, but I am guessing that since it is bo longer a dispatch channel,they wanted that to reflect on the TG tag.

So 1133 and 1137 are not used any longer or did 8A1 and 8C1 move to the lower TG numbers? I seeing 1151 as AVD also I guess that is 8C2?

1003 3eb T PGFD 8B11 Inc 11 8B11 Incident 11

Also this channel is being used for EMS units asking communications for Hospital clearances.

It sounds like they have a uniformed EMS supervisor assigned to communications handling
these requests to decide where to transport patient to.

1133	46d	T	PGFD 8A1 Ops 1	8A1 Ops 1 ???	Fire-Tac
1135	46f	T	PGFD AVD	8A2 Dispatch AVD	Fire Dispatch
1137				????
1151	47f	D	PGFD 8A2 Disp	8A2 Dispatch 8C2 ??	Fire Dispatch
1153	481	D	PGFD 8A1 Ops 1	8A1 Ops 1 (North)	Fire-Tac
1155	483	D	PGFD 8C1 Ops 2	8C1 Ops 2 (South)

 

[Tonyb5852]

So from what can tell ,for whatever reason the channels are still patched together. Now B11 is the ems coordinator channel ie " the these are the hospitals you can go to Channel". That Channel is only in service 0700-2300.

 

[Firemantincan]

1133 is 8A1. 1153 is also 8A1. There are also three TGIDs for 8A2 (1151,1135, and 1137).

I have a feeling that we may be seeing 8A1 (1153), 8B1 (1133), and 8A2, 8B2, and 8C2 here. I would have to use one of the radios to figure that out though.

I am assuming that the following sequence is how the radios are programmed across three banks of channels (Zones). There is a zone selection switch in the top of Motorola radios that reads A, B, and C. It's one of two (or three depending on the radio they use) ways to switch between zones.

8A1, 8B1, 8C1 (zones A, B, and C): Response (A and B North (perhaps central or admin or something) C South). Each one has a different TGID. 1153 (8A1?), 1133 (8B1?), and 1155 (8C1).

8A2, 8B2, 8C2 (again zones A, B, and C): AVD Dispatch. 1151 (8A2), 1135 (8B2?), and 1137 (8C2?).

After these two channels we start to see more working incident channels in the three (A, B, and C) zones. It seems that the 8B zone is the special channel zone. 8A is standard North channels and 8C is standard South channels. The other zones 8D and 8F seem to be admin and/or training zones that don't get used for street ops day to day. The 8E zone is the med pach zone.

To summerise: I think 8A1 (8C1) and 8A2 are in the number 1 and 2 channel selections in the A, B, and C zones of the Motorola radios. The 8A zone is for the North Side and the 8C zone is for the South side. Each zone (A, B, C, D, E, and F) is a different bank of up to 16 channels for COG jurisdiction 8 (P.G.). 1-16 (or A-P in other COG jurisdictions). Two of those are probably conventional talk around channels. O or 14 is probably a conventional safety channel and N or 15 is probably a conventional talk around if they are like other COG jurisdictions. P or 16 is probably 8A1 or 8C1 (can't be 8A2 because you can't talk to AVD) for Firefighter safety in case of a mayday (all the way until the dial stops in either direction there will be a dispatcher in either case to talk to).

 

[Firemantincan]

So from what can tell ,for whatever reason the channels are still patched together. Now B11 is the ems coordinator channel ie " the these are the hospitals you can go to Channel". That Channel is only in service 0700-2300.

Yes, I have noticed this too. They have been doing this since COVID started I believe.

 

[maus92]

8A1: 8=MWCOG county designation; A=Zone (North division specifically); 1=channel selector position. The same schema applies to other channels. The ABC switch does change between Zones A, B and C, but there are additional Zones selectable by the front keypad. Channel selector positions 1,2, and 16 are the same endpoint throughout all zones (except special events zone.) Ops 1 and Dispatch channel selector positions were swapped several years ago so that members could reach a live operator by rotating the channel selector knob all the way in either direction.

 

[Firemantincan]

8A1: 8=MWCOG county designation; A=Zone (North division specifically); 1=channel selector position. The same schema applies to other channels. The ABC switch does change between Zones A, B and C, but there are additional Zones selectable by the front keypad. Channel selector positions 1,2, and 16 are the same endpoint throughout all zones (except special events zone.) Ops 1 and Dispatch channel selector positions were swapped several years ago so that members could reach a live operator by rotating the channel selector knob all the way in either direction.

Yes.