Pilot on the radio freaking out....listen

[Declared_Hostile]

I think the quote was "Your limiting us to a runway?" :lol: :twisted:

The Al Haynes quote was when they were on their final descent into Sioux City Airport and the exchange went something to the effect of:

Sioux City Tower: "United 232 you're clear any runway...."

United 232: "Oh, you wanna get particular and make it a runway huh?"


Amazing piloting skills at work in that incident in Sioux City. There is a full MP3 of that incident floating around out there of that if you can find it.

 

[rokadave]

Location of recordings

I found where the recordings took place.

Point your browser to http://skyvector.com/

and type in KBRL in the airport lookup field.

 

[JLHDU]

I found where the recordings took place.

Point your browser to http://skyvector.com/

and type in KBRL in the airport lookup field.

Did he ever mention what airport he was going to, I heard AFSS say he was near Burlington and Burlington Sector at Chicago Center picked up...so the real question is what tower (obstruction) went by his left side?

If you have the right map you can figure it out.

 

[rokadave]

more location info

Radar picked up his 7700 "just south" of KOTM. They sent him northwest towards Des Moines KDSM. He must have landed at Pella KPEA because his call is to plan a flight out of there.

The pilot attempted to perform a 180, standart procedure for non-IFR pilots in a cloud. In his phone call, he said "I realized i needed to make the turn back to fairfield" KFFL

The tower is probably one of the ones around Ottumwa. What's really scary is he finally overcame his vertigo when he saw the tower, "I knew it was pointing down." The tallest tower on the map in that area is 500ft. He really came within a second or two of crashing.

 

[illini52]

I don't think there is ANY need for ANY pilot to ever talk like that. If he can't control himself, he shouldn't be a pilot. By screaming like that, he's making the situation a hundred times worse.

and you've been in IMC without any instrument training how many times? When's the last time you've come within seconds of becoming a smokin' hole?

Other than flying into IMC, the guy did what he was supposed to do.

 

[JLHDU]

and you've been in IMC without any instrument training how many times? When's the last time you've come within seconds of becoming a smokin' hole?

Other than flying into IMC, the guy did what he was supposed to do.

Atleast he had a local freq dialed up.

 

[AngelFire91]

and you've been in IMC without any instrument training how many times? When's the last time you've come within seconds of becoming a smokin' hole?

Other than flying into IMC, the guy did what he was supposed to do.

I'm glad someone finally said it. I didn't want to say anything to keep the cat in the bag but finally someone said it.

Atleast he had a local freq dialed up.

Funny thing is he was on a FSS frequency, On the very few and rare occasions I'm flying VFR I usually never am parked on a FSS frequency. I will open the flight plan then move back to something else.

 

[JLHDU]

Funny thing is he was on a FSS frequency, On the very few and rare occasions I'm flying VFR I usually never am parked on a FSS frequency. I will open the flight plan then move back to something else.

I was wondering the same. I'm not a pilot and often wondered if every FLIB out there was monitoring my freq as they treversed the Shenandoah Mtn. Range. It must have been the only Freq..he had handy. I would've thought that he would have atleast known what Center or Approach Freq to be up...additionally if he knew he was approaching an emergency situation, why he hadn't already had his transponder set to 7700? Is it possible to suddenly in a split second encounter IMC? I'm not a pilot so I don't know.

-J

 

[AngelFire91]

Chances are if they are flying VFR they probably don't know the Center frequencies in the area unless they are Flight Following, or just listening for the fun of it. Personally If I'm flying VFR I don't usually listen to anything except my CD's, unless I'm in a terminal area or I think it's going to be unsafe to do so, but like I said I very rarely fly VFR anymore, (I fly weather research aircraft to pay the bills and needless to say there really isn't a need for clear weather research.)

As far as him flying into IMC, It really all depends on the situation. Most times you can see clouds and know when you are headed for one. but around this time of year it's really eaiser then you think to get into a cloud and not know it, specially with the lower level stratus type clouds because it just slowly drops visibility untill you realize you can't see anything anymore. And I'm assuming what happened is, it's very easy to want to pitch up when you enter a cloud, specially if it has a defined wall, so I would assume this guy did exactly that and since he was in cruse he probably didn't have full power in(not that power matters) and ended up stalling the plane and spinning which he fortunently managed to recover from, Sounds like a very lucky guy. I would have to say I would check my pants afterwords if I got in a situation like that.

The transponder depending on the plane is sometimes a pain in the @$$ to set in a hurry and it usually isn't the first or even second thing you think of. I can't tell you how many times even using a checklist I've forgotten to turn the Transponder from Standby to Altitude/ON when taking off. I probably wouldn't have thought about the transponder either in this guys situation.

Question for JLHDU When a Pilot sets the Xponder to 7700 it puts a flag up on the radar data tag saying EMERG right? and 7500 puts HIJACK? It's been a long time since I've see a radar screen and I'm definently not a Traffic Controller so I was seeing If I was right, what does 7600(communications failure) put up?

Thanks,

 

[JLHDU]

Question for JLHDU When a Pilot sets the Xponder to 7700 it puts a flag up on the radar data tag saying EMERG right? and 7500 puts HIJACK? It's been a long time since I've see a radar screen and I'm definently not a Traffic Controller so I was seeing If I was right, what does 7600(communications failure) put up?Thanks,

Angel,

Yes, you got all 3 right. As soon as the computer tags up the code a data block will be associated with it. If you have altitude capability it will show the altitude as well. If you are below the "minimum vectoring altitude" (MVA) an "minimum safety altitude warning" (MSAW) will flash. If you squawk 7700, next to the data block it will say "EMRG", 7600 "COMM FAIL" and 7500 "HIJK". In approach control, atleast from what I remember they hear and audible alarm it sounds like 3 long beeps...just like the 3 long flashes you will see from the data block. We would hear beeping all day so it's something that isn't even enabled. I'm not sure if approach controls have the option of turning it off or if they leave it on all the time.

Thanks for the pilot info.

-J

 

[illini52]

One thing that some of us live by in the aviation business is Aviate, Navigate, Communicate. The primary job is to make the airplane fly. Once you have that under control, you figure out where you are. That doesn't have to be exact, but a general area. Communicate is the last one. There's no point in dialing up 121.5 or sqwaking 7700 when you are busy trying to get the aircraft under control.

As for having FSS dialed in, many VFR guys don't talk to anybody during a flight. There's nothing wrong with that at all, but often times they will open or close a flight plan with FSS over the radio. His radio may have been set there and he knew someone would answer there. He could have maybe asked for a WX update earlier and then flew into the same WX he was asking about. Who knows.

 

[SIMON11]

Wow! I am glad I am not a passenger with this guy!