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Update: I called Radio Shack, and the guy said he doesn't know who to send the scanner in to be fixed. Now what? Could a local place fix it?

(I did open my scanner, but saw no fuse. Didn't wanna mess too much looking around for one.)

Also, it this problem even fixable, or did I fry the entire scanner?

Call your local Radio Shack store and ask for the manager. They should know about their service center in Ft. Worth and how to send them items for repair. If they don't have a good answer for them ask them where the closest company owned (and not just a franchise store) is and take it there for help. A store owned by Radio Shack should have a manager that knows how to work with their corporate facilities while a franchise store may not.
 

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It's not covered under warranty. I bought it over a year ago, and didn't thiink to get the extended warranty.

So could I repair that *diode my own, or should I send it in to someone?
 
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It's not covered under warranty. I bought it over a year ago, and didn't thiink to get the extended warranty.

So could I repair that *diode my own, or should I send it in to someone?

How would you know the value of diode to be replaced, or how to check if the diode has failed?
If you have limited electronic tech skills, then I would strongly suggest taking to a qualified tech with the properly equipped bench for such repairs.
It may be only a snuffed diode, or it could be a failed semiconductor too.
The training and background is needed for such repairs. ;)

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Update: I called Radio Shack, and the guy said he doesn't know who to send the scanner in to be fixed. Now what? Could a local place fix it?

(I did open my scanner, but saw no fuse. Didn't wanna mess too much looking around for one.)

Also, it this problem even fixable, or did I fry the entire scanner?

You need to talk to the manager, not some salesman, talk to the manager. Tell him you want to send it in to be evaluated. It takes $20 for them to look it over and they'll get back to you on what repairs will cost. It may be something simple and they'll ship it back fixed.
 

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If you think the warranty has expired, I would strongly suggest making calls to a local amateur/commercial radio repair shop (if those even exist in your area). Sometimes those places have people on staff who are highly experienced with diagnosing and repairing issues in police scanners. Avoid Radioshack repair if you can. Speaking from personal experience, they are a nightmare to deal with! Often times, the local radio repair shops charge much less than what "The Shack" will stick you with and the turnaround time is much quicker. Just some food for thought...
 

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How would you know the value of diode to be replaced, or how to check if the diode has failed?
If you have limited electronic tech skills, then I would strongly suggest taking to a qualified tech with the properly equipped bench for such repairs.
It may be only a snuffed diode, or it could be a failed semiconductor too.
The training and background is needed for such repairs. ;)

73,
n9zas

Good advice....I'm not comfortable tearing it open, so I will have somebody who knows what they're doing look at it.

If you think the warranty has expired, I would strongly suggest making calls to a local amateur/commercial radio repair shop (if those even exist in your area). Sometimes those places have people on staff who are highly experienced with diagnosing and repairing issues in police scanners. Avoid Radioshack repair if you can. Speaking from personal experience, they are a nightmare to deal with! Often times, the local radio repair shops charge much less than what "The Shack" will stick you with and the turnaround time is much quicker. Just some food for thought...

I'm none too happy with RS. Most on RR seem to agree their employees don't know much about scanners. And the people I talked with are not even aware that Radio Shack can look at scanners. Many on here have mentioned they will look at it for $20.

I'm gonna look in my area and see if there are any locals shops around here. If not, I'll contact Radio Shack and speak with a manager.

Thanks to you all for your help. Once again, the RR community has proven themselves most useful and knowledgeable. I'll post back to let 'yall know how things turn out. :)
 

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My power adapter cord broke, and I went to radio shack to get another cord. The salesman sold me an adapter that provided two different voltages -- 13.5 and 30.0. The pro-197 needs 13.8.

The salesman never told me that one cord provided two different voltages, and when I got home and plugged in my scanner, it fried. It seems as if the adapter was set at 30.0V.

I guess it's my fault for not checking what the switch was set at, but I had never heard of one adapter with two different voltages. It would have been nice if the salesman at Radio Shack had warned me about this, but I digress.

My main concern is not who's to blame, but how do I get this scanner fixed?

Thanks!

Jacob i sent you a pm look there.
 
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recurring problems with salesmen

i saw the gentlemans delimma about the salesman selling an adaptor with two voltages. i would just like to comment that the salesman to me is at fault as he should have ordered you a new adapter for the scanner. and i am sorry for your pain.i would also like to say that it is very unfortunate that these days most radioshack salesman are for the most part totally ignorant of what they are selling to someone and should not even have there jobs.i therefore feel that you should point this out to higher management and they should give you a new scanner.i have shopped there many times in the past few years along with several members of my family and unless i knew exactly what i wanted i ended up with the wrong product or adaptor.shame on radioshack for being so stupid. end of comments.
 

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i saw the gentlemans delimma about the salesman selling an adaptor with two voltages. i would just like to comment that the salesman to me is at fault as he should have ordered you a new adapter for the scanner. and i am sorry for your pain.i would also like to say that it is very unfortunate that these days most radioshack salesman are for the most part totally ignorant of what they are selling to someone and should not even have there jobs.i therefore feel that you should point this out to higher management and they should give you a new scanner.i have shopped there many times in the past few years along with several members of my family and unless i knew exactly what i wanted i ended up with the wrong product or adaptor.shame on radioshack for being so stupid. end of comments.

You walk into Radio Shack and ask for a job and they say what do you know and you respond with everything and they say your hired. here's your sign.
 

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Sure, the owner should read the manual. But remember “you've got questions? We've got answers.”? It is a major part of Radio Shack's marketing. They are there to answer your questions. I wouldn't say never ask someone at the Shack. There's one not too far from me where the manager is a ham. He's pretty good. But yes for the most part they're just there to take your money.

I cannot agree with KE4NYV more. Please do not listen to the sort of advice pointed out as bad. I'm not trying to pick on anyone. Most of the time it's less of a lack of knowledge than it is someone just repeating some non-sense they were told by someone else with the lack of knowledge. “i thought the only way you could burn up a rig was to set the power to low? “ is also horribly incorrect. This is right up there with “it's not the volts that kills you it's the amps.”

Jacob, How do you mean the cord broke? Can this be repaired?

To my knowledge the Pro-197 does not have any user tampering indication (a little sticker that falls off or tears if you open it. I've never seen any.) Your local Radio Shack manager should make this right, especially if the unit is still under warranty. They should fix it and replace the power supply with an original one, not a generic or “other” supply.

The worst part is the connector. It uses an EIAJ-05 connector which to my knowledge Radio Shack does not sell either as an individual part or with any power supply. It is discontinued from the Adapta-plug line. However, a similar size plug may work just fine.
 

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The Pro-197 uses rather large scale integration and almost all surface mount parts. This is not something the inexperienced tech should mess with. In fact it's extremely unlikely if sent in for service they would perform a component level repair. They'd just swap out the board.

Yes, the radio says it requires 13.8V. This is not something the manual will explain. That's a nominal voltage for use in a vehicle. The original power supply is unregulated. It says 13.8 volts at 600mA. The unit almost never draws 600mA and a slightly smaller current supply should work fine. It typically produces 16 volts when operating and 20 volts when in an open circuit. The Pro-197 has two internal voltage regulators, one 8V and one 3.3V. I do not know the maximum voltage input they will withstand and it's likely the exact part used changes by various model revisions and production runs. However, the 3.3V part when set to run at 3.3 will typically withstand 43V and likely is just fine. The 8V part has a common maximum input of 35V and possibly sustained damage but is probably fine. The audio amplifier chip is powered unregulated. It can withstand 30V. If anything died this probably has. There is also a polarity protection diode. This device is intended to “blow up” if the unit is connected with reverse polarity which is my first guess. It does not have any internal fuse. There's a noise filter and a couple of current limiting resistors and other protection diodes. One can troubleshoot the power supply section pretty easily and repair it if handy with a soldering iron. You MUST have a supply in the range of about 10v to 16v, about 600ma, and most importantly the correct polarity, the center is positive.

1) Use an ohm meter (or diode meter) and measure across D41. You should see a high resistance, about 2 or 3M (or the voltage drop) in one direction, with the black probe at the band end. Swap the probes and you should see an open circuit. If you see zero this diode is shorted. Do NOT connect power. This is a typical 1A rectifier such as a 1n4001. If it's good move on.

2) connect power and measure the supply. For these measurements test with the black probe on the chassis, just touch the metal case. The red probe touches our test points. Using the original supply expect about 20V. If the supply voltage is good at that point move on.

3) The supply voltage minus about .6 will appear at the band end of D41. If not this diode is open and needs to be replaced. If the voltage is good at D41, just a little less than the supply, move on

3) turn the unit on, the supply voltage should drop by about 4V when using an unregulated supply. Again about -.6 will be at D41.

4) Measure at D40 and D39. You should see the supply voltage minus about 1.2 at D40 and minus about 1.8 at D39. If these diodes are shorted the voltage will be the same as at D41. This is probably okay but not correct. If good move on.

4) Carefully measure at the center of IC12. One slip and you might cook things. You should see very near 3.3V. Measure IC13 at the pin nearest the speaker hole for 8V. If either of these is wrong they will need replacing.

If the above is all good either the supply you tried is now dead, the scanner has a more serious problem, or maybe it works if you have the proper supply. It's possible one of the related capacitors is bad. Troubleshooting those is probably more complicated than one would like to go into.

The radio says adapter number MKD-48130600. The adapter says it's GPU481380600WD00. I guess 48130600 is the important part.

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PLEASE do not listen to advice like this! Everything has a max input voltage limit. It could be the rating on the internal voltage regulator or even a protection diode that sets this limit. Always read the manual or even the label on the equipment to determine the proper voltage and stay within that range to avoid damage.

Normally I keep my mouth shut, but advice like this needs to squelched, to help prevent people from making big mistakes. I am amazed at the ignorance that runs rampant on this site! Too many people pretending to be experts, giving false advice. Next thing you know, someone takes it as fact, burns something up and they are stuck with a paper weight.

Jason you are so right. so many wizards on here that don't have a clue.I JUST LAUGH.

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