Pro-2096 vs. Pro-197 Which is right for me?

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mbcolangelo

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I looked up my information on policescanners.net for my local area (Marinette, WI 54143).

From what I gathered it appears that the Pro-2096 will be capable of picking up everything in my local area. However the site is recommending a Pro-197. I've compared the 2 models and it doesn't appear that I need the additional features of the Pro-197.

Could someone possibly confirm this? I can't afford the Pro-197.

Below is the info returned from policescanners.net


Important Notes about Wisconsin:
Most Wisconsin cities and counties use analog VHF channels that can be monitored with a basic police scanner. Some agencies use digital channels on VHF so a digital police scanner would be needed here. In the Milwaukee area there are several types of systems in use, including Motorola (Waukesha and Milwaukee Counties) and EDACS (Watertown and Ozaukeee County) analog trunked systems that can be monitored on a trunktracking police scanner.

Important Notes about Marinette County:
A digital police scanner is needed to listen to the Sheriff in Marinette County, Wisconsin, including the City of Marinette. APCO P25 digital radios are used by police in the county. Most other local police, Fire and Ambulance communications can be heard with a basic police scanner.

To monitor the Wisconsin State Patrol and other state agencies a basic police scanner can be used as they operate on VHF radio networks.
 

RoninJoliet

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The 2096 is the outdated style of scanning, the RS197 was just on sale for $299.00 and it is much better....Besides, WI is building a VHF digital system which would be better on the RS197 as the 2096 will not do the job.......My Opinion.....
 

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I thought the sheriff operations in Marinette were encrypted, at least that's what I read yesterday when I was looking for a live feed of yesterdays events. It appears that way from the database and Marinette PD is analog in the clear.
 

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both the pro-107 and the pro-164 are both analog trunking scanners so you wouldn't be able to pick up any digital signals in your area. but the pro-96/2096 or the pro-106/197 are digital scanners and you will be able to pick up both analog and digital signals in your area.
 

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The most important thing I think that you said was that you could not afford the 197. This is only a hobby... make sure you don't bankrupt yourself. You might want to keep your eyes open for a 197 if another sale should come up. Also, you could post in the WI forum... the people there could give you some good advice on what you would miss with an analog scanner. You could also check out some live scanner feeds, if you havent already. Good luck!

Todd
 

ross52

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The Right Scanner

Hi Angelo,
I'm from your area and wanted to respond to you after reading your post so I registered. I read your quotes on your post and they are both very false. I think I know where they came from and I would not buy a scanner from them as they are looking out for their own interests. You are much better off going down to your shack store when they have a good sale. The good Shack scanners are made by Gre, which are the best out there. I just got a great sale on mine for $100 off, but even without the sale I would still get it through your local Radio Shack for one big reason. You can easily return it with your sales slip and return it for any reason, no questions asked. The $15 or so you may save by getting it online is not worth the hassle and worry if it is not working right or you are stuck with it if you change your mind. So keep this in your train of thought when you decide to purchase one. When you buy at the shack, make sure you get the Shack clone over it's sister Gre. They are both identical but Shack tends to mark the Gre's up much higher.

Now I'm going to tell you about my mistake, thinking I needed the Pro-197. As you know our main police frequency in our area 155.535 (Marinette County Sherriff) is fully digital Apco-25. As you probably found out like me, it sounds just terrible listening to digital on an analog scanner. It hisses very loud and drives you half nuts. After awhile you have to delete it. I was upset about that and looking so forward to having a digital scanner to be able to listen to it again as suggested by that site on your quote. So I ran down to the East Town Mall across from Gandrud for that Pro-197 on sale for $299. I was so excited, I couldn't wait!
It seemed very intimidating at first, but after I got the hang of things I soon programmed all my favorite frequencies (objects) in manually. That programming software where you can do it on your computer is a big waste of money for our area so don't bother with it. Once you get the hang of things, the manual programming and customization is fun and easy. Anyhow, after I finally got done programming I was ready for my big test to hear all those top-secret conversations our local cops were having on 155.535! To my major dissapointment, they sounded like a bunch of aliens after it locked onto 535. I was really bummed and read for hours thinking I may have did something wrong. Then after I finally gave up, I went on the internet for some research and found out our 155.535 is Apco-25 but "ENCRYPTED" as well and that scanner or any other legal digital scanner doesn't decode that type of encryption. I was super P'd Off! That was the main reason I bought it!! I could easily return it but after I settled down, decided not too. I have it set up the way I want and it sounds so good even with that bottom speaker. The reception is outstanding, even with it's supplied stock antenna. Well, I have digital in case some other ones in our area go digital and DON't ENCRYPT IT! In bigger cities it is a great scanner to have because you have all those trunking talk groups going digital without encryption. But around here, to my dissapointment you don't need a digital or trunking scanner as of now. You will be paying for features that do not work on 155.535 and there are no trunking groups in our area that are worth listening to. You can still hear the Marinette City Police (155.655). The Menominee Police is a good one to put in (155.415) and all those EMS and Fire frequencies they have listed on this site. I tend to like putting in the main Coast Guard Frequency (156.800). Then I like to add the most used talking ones like 156.425, 475, 575, and 625 so I can listen to all the fun the fishermen and boaters are having out in the bay. That works out much better than scanning the entire Coast guard band.
I hope I helped you out, Angelo. To make a long story short, go down to your Radio Shack and get the nice analog base model that looks identical to the Pro-197 and you will save yourself a couple hundred bucks for features you won't need for some time.
 

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Ross52- Sounds like good advice. Welcome to RR- glad you registered!
-Todd
 

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Ross52- Sounds like good advice. Welcome to RR- glad you registered!
-Todd

Thanks Todd,
I see your from Virginia. You sure have some nice country around you. Years ago my wife and I went to a nascar race in Richmond. That is the nicest track I was ever at, including Bristol. My bucket-list wish would be taking a ride on my bike starting in North Carolina on Blue Ridge Parkway and going through Virginia!

I didn't want to see a fellow local on a budget be conned into a digital scanner to pick up that police frequency like I did. That pro-197 is a fantastic machine, though. Like I said it is so good that I won't return it even though the digital feature is useless where I live because it can't decipher an encrypted digital police frequency. Please let people know that if they want one for that reason. Even if your local police are Apco-25 digital and non-encrypted it will probably be a short matter of time before they encrypt it. That kind of sucks!
That scanner has so many cool features it is unreal. Here are just a few I discovered. When you program a frequency and label it you just keep going down the menu until you see the light feature. Then you program whatever color you want to come on for the frequency you programmed. I programmed red for my fire frequency so when I am half way across the room a red light comes on the scanner right before they start talking so I know it's fire. For the cops I put a blue light on. That is a cool feature. Another cool feature it has is the attentuator (high-low) receive power. On my older pro-2006 it had that feature but you could only hit the switch on high receive strength for all channels or low for all. That doesn't work if you put it on low because you have heavy interference on one of your frequencies and then you can't receive half the other ones you need high receive strength. On this scanner, you can just hit low on the one with a lot of interference and leave the rest on high. Another feature I discovered that kind of freaked me out, is you can take an entire search band and put it in with all your scan frequencies like it is just a single frequency! I kind of freaked out when I did that by accident and just deleted it, but later realized all I had to do was hit lockout and that band would be there all the time for me and the scanner would just go over it like normal. That is kind of convenient so you don't have to keep entering searches. One other thing, I thought on that little base scanner there is just going to be no way I would ever be able to hear anything with that speaker on the bottom and I would definitely need an external speaker. How wrong I was! I am half deaf with a big screen TV going loud in the living room where I have my scanner. I can't even turn it half way or it it is too loud. I can easily here the calls over the TV with the volume in the 10-11 O'Clock position. The voice quality is so clear it is unbelievable. That is very impressive. It totally smokes my pro-2006 with audio power and my 2006 speaker is on top! It's a very impressive scanner and it impressed me so much I'm keeping it even though the digital is useless to me.

Times have sure changed since the good ole days with my pro-2006. I remember paying $400 for that one brand new years and years ago at the shack. I still have the receipt. I had some good memories with that scanner. I soon discovered it picked up cordless phones real fine. Nothing better than listening to your stuck up rich neighbor complaining about you. Then at night, listen to his wife having a hot, sassy conversation with her lover on the side. Then I soon discovered how to modify it with a clip of the scissors to pick up the entire cellular band. Some of those conversations were even better. Unfortunately those days are probably gone for good. Anyhow, the Crown is making me ramble on again. you have a good one!
 

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Thank you all,
I think I'm going to really enjoy this forum with many other scanner enthusiasts like me. I think there are many good people here that may help me better understand my new scanner and digital ENCRYPTION. I looked at some comments in the "rabid" technical forums and most seem to think it's impossible to decrypt an encrypted frequency such as 155.535 in my area. Here are some of my thoughts on this issue. Almost any place on the internet you buy a scanner from has their civilian models which you and I have and their government issued scanners that people that work for the Police, etc. can purchase with identification proof. Some of you may already know what an easy fix it was to unblock the entire cellular band in the older model Realistic Pro-2006. I believe they are made with every frequency available on Govt. models but they block out our civilian models with different techniques. On my new pro-197 it will display an NAC or digital code on the digital frequency even if it is encrypted. On my encrypted police frequency it displayed 666. One hell of a number, excuse the pun :) Anyhow, I found out how to go through all the NAC Codes in my scanner and they have a lot of them, but over half are not in it. There are big gaps between some of the numbers. It had 664 listed but no 666 like displayed on my police frequency 155.535. So, I think thats where the problem is. Anyhow, I would be willing to bet the government issues of that scanner have all those NAC Codes programmed in and our civilian models have them simply deleted. I am thinking or hoping there may be some way to download them back in if you know the right people or show enough George Washingtons. Any thoughts on this from anyone that has knowledge of these type of scanners or government issued scanners?
 
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