Scanner Tales: Get to the Point (to Point)

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I was hired as a police-fire dispatcher right out of high school in the late 1970's. For most of the previous decade I had been an avid scanner listener. In those days VHF High Band was the king of the hill in the Midwest. The state police in most of the region was using low band (42 MHz.) and some of the rural counties in Illinois especially were still on 39 MHz. but in the wider Chicago area the 150-160 MHz. High Band ran supreme. Chicago had recently switched most dispatch to 460 MHz., and many of the suburbs were working on switching over to "T-Band", the 470-482 MHz. band shared with TV Channels 14 and 15.

The switch to T-Band was mostly complete by the mid 1970's but most police departments retained their VHF high band channels as "Channel 2" for when the repeaters on UHF failed or they wanted to talk car-to-car. At the time the Illinois State Police was issuing 4-channel 100-watt VHF Micors, Motracs, Mastr-II's and a couple other model mobile radios as part of the ISPERN project. This gave almost every police car in the state access to the statewide ISPERN (Illinois State Police Emergency Radio Network) channel on 154.680. Base states were at each State Police Post and the Cook and Lake County Sheriff's offices. Chicago PD had a phone line link to the Cook County base and could access it that way. ISPERN was used for flash messages, pursuits and itinerant use for when a car was outside the range of their home radio system. It was, for the time, an advanced interoperability resource that really was a success. The frequency was changed a while later (around 1978 IIRC) to 155.475 when that was promoted as the nationwide police interoperability channel.

The rules with the ISPERN radios were that the ISPERN radios were owned by the state, ISPERN was in Channel 1 on the radios and the Priority Scan was wired to be on at all times. Agencies could put other channels in the radio if they wished, usually that was the old VHF channel or the local PW channel. Later when the IREACH (155.055) channel was established it was suggested that this go in the Channel 3 slot. For those agencies that joined the ISPERN program but provided their own mobile radios they could have it set to allow disabling of the scan function. Dispatch agencies were required to have an ISPERN monitor in the center. Eventually the State Police turned over ownership of the state-provided radios to the agencies that they were assigned to, and the scan-disable feature could be rewired if the agency wanted to. By then however radio prices came down dramatically and many agencies bought their own VHF radios so weren't restricted by ISPERN rules as to the scan setting.

In the decades before ISPERN came around Illinois had a couple channels used for mutual aid. 39.50 was the statewide "Sheriff's Net", used by most sheriff's departments as well as the local police that were provided radio services by the sheriff. There were some small towns in Illinois that were dispatched by the State Police, and they would usually operate on the various State Police 42.xx MHz. channels.

In addition to 39.50, many agencies thruout the state had 39.46 in the dispatch centers, this was the original "Point to Point" channel in Illinois. I know there were some Wisconsin police agencies in the southern part of the state that also had it, but I don't think it was so used by the other midwestern states.

Back in the 50's, 60's and 70's telephone calls were expensive and charged mostly by the mile. By simply adding an additional channel to the base station radio dispatch centers could save money by reducing phone charges. These days even calls across the country cost no more than a call across the street, and most people have unlimited call minutes on their cell phones. Back then you could rack up a huge phone bill just by calling someone 20 miles away.

39.46 was intended to be used only by dispatch centers to talk to each other. If Mayberry got a report of a crash on the Interstate they would call the State Police on "Point" to let them know. Need to check a local vehicle license? Call the other agency on Point. Want to see if the next county has a deputy that can help corral some stray cattle? Call them on Point. As far as I know it was not installed in any mobile radios.

By the 1970's many of the sheriffs’ departments were switching from low band to VHF High Band, from 154 thru 159 MHz. They were then getting rid of the 39 MHz. equipment. A replacement for 39.46 was needed. In a rare instance of peering into the future several midwestern states cooperated and designated 155.370 as the high band Point to Point channel. Illinois, Wisconsin, Indiana, Iowa, Missouri and Minnesota were on board with this, and I think Kentucky had a few agencies with it as well. Other midwestern states also got on board with this.

Some agencies on the outskirts of the metro area had both 39.46 and 155.37 Point to Point channels thru the 1970's but by the mid 1980's 39.46 was pretty much gone anywhere in the Chicago area. The last places I knew of with 39.46 in the area was the Lake Geneva area in SE Wisconsin, the State Police Post in Elgin (District 2) and Kendall County, Illinois.

Before the 1970's 155.370 in Illinois was called the "City" channel. It was already a Point-to-Point allocation but didn't get that moniker until then. In the closer-in Chicago suburbs that had been on 155 MHz since the 1950's, they usually never had 39.46, pretty much only the further out towns did as their sheriff's departments were on the 39.50 or other low-band channels. Eventually even these agencies abandoned 39.46.

The last time I ever heard 39.46 being used as a Point-to-Point channel was in the late 1980's in the Macoupin County area between Springfield and St. Louis. Pretty soon thereafter this holdout switched to VHF highband. Ford County was the last Sheriff's agency I knew of that used 39.50 for dispatch (until the 1990's), but by then everyone else had left 39.46 so they would have had no one to talk to on that if they had it.

By the time I started dispatching in the 1970's 155.370 WAS the Point-to-point channel. It was heavily used, and dispatchers were expected to monitor it thruout their shift. In the Chicago area it was used mostly to contact the State Police to report accidents on the expressways and tollways and to contact Chicago PD to check for warrants or confirm stolen vehicles. While technically we were supposed to use the state computer system (called LEADS) for that, Chicago was in its own world and played by different rules.

When calling in a warrant check to Chicago a suburban dispatcher had to follow a strict script. Their dispatcher assigned to Point had a terminal on the CPD in-house computer system and one had to present the subject's name in a certain order to allow Chicago to enter the inquiry. Variance from this protocol would result in having to start from scratch. One of the counties in the area (DuPage) used a different set of phonetics than the rest of the world for some reason and, depending on the dispatcher working at Chicago and his mood, they would often need to "start over and use the proper phonetics". Eventually the state made Chicago follow state law and enter their warrants and steals in the state computer and the running of almost every suburban arrestee on "Point" went away.

After the AT&T breakup created competition in the telephone industry, phone calls go a lot cheaper and more practical. Use of Point-to-Point declined and some agencies declined to include it when updating their radio dispatch centers. The town I worked in during the 1980's and 1990's always monitored it but by the time Y2K came around it was usually on semi-permanent Mute status. When I covered the desk, I would listen to it but usually got crickets if I called anyone on it.

There were some issues with "Point" in the Chicago area. For some reason every police department in Indiana took turns identifying with their callsigns on it every half hour. This made it all but unusable for several minutes at the top and bottom of every hour. For those saying that they were only following the rules; if you didn't use the channel you did not need to ID on it. Us in Illinois often thought that they must have cloned dispatchers in Indiana, they all sounded alike; robotic and boring.

Wisconsin allowed mobile units to have "Point-to-Point" installed in them, they occasionally could be heard calling another agency to open a Sally Port etc. Once a Walworth County car came to my Illinois police agency on an investigation and called us for directions, it felt weird answering a mobile unit on what we thought of as a Base only channel.

Occasionally some agency would set up a CW ID'er on "Point". This was as aggravating as well and usually some radio-nerd dispatcher would figure out the agency that did so and convince them to disable it.

In the 2005 or so timeframe a good friend of my wife started dating a retired CPD officer. When we all met for dinner one night I recognized his voice, he had been one of the regular "Point" officers and we had spoken on the radio often. Back in the day CPD dispatchers were usually sworn officers and Communications was just another assignment. Of course we started swapping war stories, some were even true.

The last time I was in the Chicago area I listened to "Point" for much of the week or so I was in there. I never once heard any traffic on it. I doubt anyone still uses it and many agencies probably don't even have it anymore. With cell phones and other technology the tried and true just doesn't matter much anymore.
 

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I too spent about a year as a dispatcher in Kentucky in the late 70's. It was for a small, affluent community and generally the only radio communication was giving station identification, or perhaps traffic stops. We also dispatched for some other adjacent smaller communities.

There was rare use of the "point" radio (155.370) in Kentucky. If I remember correctly, the base radios may have been manufactured by GE and had a rotary dial. Most agencies had a number, and if A wanted to call B, they had to dial B's number to activate the receiver. (Our place did not have one. I developed a friendship with the Kentucky State Police dispatcher next county over. From time to time, I'd visit and see their equipment set-up.)

I believe the theory was to keep dispatchers from turning the volume down to avoid non-pertinent traffic and missing a call. Only base stations used the 155.370 "point".

Indiana, the southern part that I could hear, was a more consistent user of the "point" radio, much like your describe.

The other interoperable frequency, 155.475 was in both base and mobile radios. I think most every VHF police radio had this frequency programmed. I never heard it used, however.
 

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There was no type of selective calling tech used on Point in Illinois. Some agencies did transmit PL tones here and there, usually due to the installation of an encoder past the channel selector, making that PL being sent on all channels. When we replaced our base transceivers with Quantars from the old Mastr-II's I programmed our Point with a DPL code for encode. This allowed me to set a scanner with that code so I could know when our guys used Point. I did the same thing for ISPERN, IREACH and IFERN in our mobile radios until these channels were supposed to encode specific PL codes as part of the updated Interoperability plans.
 

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Today, it's very much an ongoing issue to get neighboring PD's to talk to each other even though the technology is in place. There are some situations where they often don't know what TG is an official universal channel or not. Often times they will come on and then go back to their respective main TG/channel and say they don't respond or the dispatcher says their unit is trying to call and back and forth and back and forth.
Ironically that's due to lack of communication. This holds true for FD's as well.
 

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My perspective is not as a former dispatcher but as a former young scanner listener. :)

Back in the late '70s and early '80s when my grandfather used to let me 'babysit' his scanner when he went to California for a week or two, I definitely remember 155.370 ("The Point" as it was called here) being used by the counties in western NY to contact each other. I can see in my mind the handwritten list of frequencies I would use to program the scanner each time I got to use it and there was a notation next to 155.370 that read "The Point -- IMPORTANT". Not a lot of traffic, but IMPORTANT (in the mind of a 12 year-old) traffic.

When I got back into scanning for a couple years in the 90s I remember still hearing occasional traffic on 155.370.

I believe it's still listed as a NY State Interop frequency. Honestly I need to double-check to see if I am scanning it and add it if not.

On a related note, one of the low band national fire interop frequencies is still used by the counties in our area to request inter-county mutual aid.
 

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As a scanner listener for around 50yrs now in St Louis the 155.370 point to point has been used consistently in the downstate IL & eastern MO areas. Local MO agencies never had low band, only the Missouri state police did on a group of 42.xx frequencies. So MO never used the low band point to point to communicate with IL "across the river" as we call it.

St. Louis city used UHF 460.xxx for years and most area County departments used VHF high. The city was the first, locally, in MO to switch to an analog 800MHz trunking system. There was never any direct channels for St. Louis area departments and metro east departments, as we call them, to communicate. Only 155.370 and even rarer 155.475. I don't think any MO agency had 155.475 much less give it a name like ISPERN.

I was told many years ago by a SLMPD dispatcher that when they switched to their new trunking system they put their VHF point to point radio in a table in the corner of their comms room and rarely paid any attention to it. So much so that if the ISP District 11 (at the time) called St. Louis on point to point the ISP dispatcher would call out 5 or 6 times before picking up the phone, calling the city and telling them to monitor point to point. It seemed the ISP dispatchers were hell-bent for the city to communicate on point to point. So much so that even after calling them on the phone (where they could probably give the city what they wanted them) they would convince the city to use the point to point radio and wait on hold while the city went to the other radio in the corner.

All agencies in the metro east IL area and metro west (if you will) MO are on digital trunked systems now. MO agencies have a "patch" TG for point to point and, I think, IL still uses 155.370. I don't think IL has a true TG for point to point. Rich you will know better.

I know that ISP still uses ISPERN but each district (now troop) has their own ISPERN TG but still transmitts on 155.475???? Not sure how that works exactly. All I know for sure is that the old VHF 155.475 in most of my scanners is locked out because, at times, ISPERN traffic can be constant for upwards to an hour. IL uses it statewide for 'every' "wanted for" announcement you can think of. I think ISP has tried to limit ISPERN to pursuits. Not sure if that's true. That can be fun to monitor because many metro east departments, especially Brooklyn, and Granite City, love to chase cars into MO and the metro St. Louis area, sometimes for 30 or 40 minutes. Fun times.
 

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Things have definitely changed. I started my dispatch career in 1992. It was the police department in the northern NJ town that I grew up in. We dispatch PD, FD, and EMS. At that time we were on VHF-Lo and there was no 9-1-1 in our area. We had 2 police channels (37.300 and 37.320), and a fire channel (45.480). The kicker is that we shared those 3 frequencies with 5 other towns! Your entire 8-hour shift may have only had a couple of calls that you had to dispatch but you still had to pay attention to the radio so that you didn't miss any of your officers, or one of the other towns, calling something in to you. You also hoped that when you had a hot call to dispatch that the other 4 towns on the frequencies weren't busy so that you could get your call out! Eventually all 5 towns went to their own individual UHF frequencies and not long after that 9-1-1 came on line. My dispatch desk still has the 3 VHF-Lo frequencies in the console, and I believe most of the other 4 towns still have them as well. We all also have the NJ SPEN 1 frequency in the console.

Now, in 2025, I'm still working here and we are about to migrate to the NJICS radio system.

It's been fun, and I don't see that changing anytime soon!
 

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Not really to "the point", but I had applied for a dispatching job with the Indiana State Police back in the 1982/83 time frame. I also had applied to a federal agency for a telecommunications job. I did get a call back from the ISP, but it came after the invite from the feds for their job, which I wound up taking. But that is another story altogether.

My interest in scanners came after high school when I was working at a local grocery store. My supervisor in the produce department had a scanner (can't recall what model) in our work area. This piqued my interest and eventually I bought a Bearcat 210XLT, which served me well for a few years before taking the aforementioned job. Funny the paths our lives take.
 

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In the decades before ISPERN came around Illinois had a couple channels used for mutual aid. 39.50 was the statewide "Sheriff's Net", used by most sheriff's departments as well as the local police that were provided radio services by the sheriff.

Wisconsin allowed mobile units to have "Point-to-Point" installed in them, they occasionally could be heard calling another agency to open a Sally Port etc. Once a Walworth County car came to my Illinois police agency on an investigation and called us for directions, it felt weird answering a mobile unit on what we thought of as a Base only channel.
Another great Scanner Tales!

One of my favorite swap meet boat anchors was a late production Motrac with the ISP dual front-end "SP" option. It was huuuge. As I understood it, the control head could be parked on the District LF1 channel, and audio from both LF1 and 39.50 would come through the speaker. I think I had it operating on the 6M calling channel in my car. Wish I still had it.

Exactly right on "Point" in Wisconsin. State Patrol was the most common mobile user in my area. My favorite funny audio snippet from Point was:

"State Car <blah-blah-blah> to <some Sheriff> on Point."

"Go ahead"

"You have a 10-46 at milepost xyz"

Long pause.....

"What's a 10-46?"
 
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Another great Scanner Tales!

One of my favorite swap meet boat anchors was a late production Motrac with the ISP dual front-end "SP" option. It was huuuge. As I understood it, the control head could be parked on the District LF1 channel, and audio from both LF1 and 39.50 would come through the speaker. I think I had it operating on the 6M calling channel in my car. Wish I still had it.

Exactly right on "Point" in Wisconsin. State Patrol was the most common mobile user in my area. My favorite funny audio snippet from Point was:

"State Car <blah-blah-blah> to <some Sheriff> on Point."

"Go ahead"

"You have a 10-46 at milepost xyz"

Long pause.....

"What's a 10-46?"
There were some areas that did avoid using codes here and there, every generation there seems to be a small wave of "Plain English" pushes. We had that in our agency once when a new chief came in. It lasted almost a week when people started going back to the codes, posts and other jargon they had used forever.

For some reason Miami seems to use "Q" codes. We were there last year and I was able to hear some of that on the scanner. That always sounded weird to me. I don't know of any other major area that uses these.
 

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In the late 90s and early 2000s in Central Illinois I never once heard 155.370 used. What you described it used for, I would hear IREACH used instead. ISPERN was where all the exciting action was although I could only pick up ISP D6 and D8, never the mobiles.

Over here in Central Indiana these days they use Safe-T's various Regional Mutual Aid 1 talkgroups for that type of inter-department calling.
 

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In the late 90s and early 2000s in Central Illinois I never once heard 155.370 used. What you described it used for, I would hear IREACH used instead. ISPERN was where all the exciting action was although I could only pick up ISP D6 and D8, never the mobiles.

Over here in Central Indiana these days they use Safe-T's various Regional Mutual Aid 1 talkgroups for that type of inter-department calling.
By then Point was falling into disuse in the Chicago area. In some of the far suburban areas, especially Kane County, IREACH was more heavily used for interop. Kane County and some of the local dispatch centers even did the "Nearest Car" call-outs like the channel was intended for.

I applied for and was approved for base station licenses on ESMARN (155.025) and IREACH (155.055). We added them to our consoles and was supposed to be the regional IREACH contact point although I don't think it ever got used.

Later on I ask and was approved to do a trial on a console patch between IREACH and our regional interop channel (APERN, 470.9625) as needed. We did some tests and activated it during a couple incidents but after I retired it was likely never thought of again. The new generation has no "Radio Guys" these days.
 

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Another great write up! In the last year or two, I've heard Kenosha, Walworth, and Rock counties (Wisconsin) on 155.37. It's rare, but apparently still in use.
 
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The only mobiles in WI that were technically allowed to have Point TX were WSP until sometime much later after adoption, and now Point is a standard interop channel that every radio should have.

Point use in the southern 1/3 of WI is increasingly rare, but the northern 2/3s of the state still use it quite a bit.
 

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I'm in central Pa. and there is "regional" on 155.49. In living here 20 years I've never heard anything on it even once. (still analog in Snyder/Union/Lycoming counties)
My NJ SPEN story happened 30 years ago, but I worked in the two way business when I lived there and had SPEN in every portable I had. One night, late, I'm turning in my street on the way home when a car charges through the intersection and creams into the side of the hill. Guy took off, had to be intoxicated. I grabbed the MX.. "radio repair to xxxx PD on SPEN 1". Said who I was, gave a description/direction, and they caught the guy in town. Turns out they had a felony warrant out of Arizona. I called the dispatcher on the phone, told them who I was and who I worked for and they were quite appreciative. No cellphone then. (expen$$ive) Nothing before or since ever beat the receiver in the MX. Had various ones set up for the railroad, etc. Only viable radio for railfanning, too.
 

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Just found this thread. I remember hearing 39.46 in Illinois as I lived and still do across the border in Iowa. Occasionally I would hear Illinois bases on 15.370 taking with Iowa agencies. Otherwise within themselves it was 39.46. but as the 70's moved on and the counties got VHF-High system they still used 39.46 for ISP contact. Finally late 80's I didn't hear anything but skip 39.46.
The current and previous regional trunk system in this area had a crosspatch for Point and ISPERN. But other than hearing out of the area stations the locals must be using telephones between them. We used to have a Quad-City Net on Point that was used for let other departments know about stolen cars or other high value incidents. It consisted of the agencies in Scott Co IA and Rock Island Co IL plus Geneseo PD in Henry Co. iL while Illinois State was with the idea Iowa State's closest was about fifty miles away and while they could hear they just watch the teletype for the information.
 
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