PRSE: Help programming stand-alone digital.

[W8HDU]

I have both a Whistler (WS1065), and Radio Shack version (Pro 197). I use PSREdit500 to program each radio.

I would like to program in 3 new frequencies, all in the 825 MHz region. all non-MARCS.

The one frequency is 11K2F3E which is standard narrow-band FM analog. No problem with this one.

But the other two frequencies are 8K10F1D, and 8K10F1E.

Are the two digital frequencies entered as Conventional? Am I correct to assume this is not a trucking function, ergo no "Talkgroup"?

Can someone set me straight on how to set up the two digital stand-alone channels in PRSE Edit?

 

[Whiskey3JMC]

But the other two frequencies are 8K10F1D, and 8K10F1E.

Source here.

8K10F1D	P25 Phase I C4FM data.
8K10F1E	P25 Phase I C4FM voice (P25 mode in RadioReference.com Database

Are the two digital frequencies entered as Conventional? Am I correct to assume this is not a trucking function, ergo no "Talkgroup"?

What are the specific frequencies? Are they listed anywhere in the RRDB?

 

[dave3825]

I dont know much about the software you're using but know that is conventional P25 and with Uniden, it can be entered as OFT, One Freq Trunk and it will display any data that is carried over the freq, like radio id's and any tg info.

 

[W8HDU]

Source here.

8K10F1D	P25 Phase I C4FM data.
8K10F1E	P25 Phase I C4FM voice (P25 mode in RadioReference.com Database

What are the specific frequencies? Are they listed anywhere in the RRDB?

OK, but that doesn't answer my original question.

How is that entered into PRSE software? As a stand-alone frequency, and not MARCS or a trucked frequency?

The attached image, and a post on a different board, suggest that the menu shown ...

1. Frequency is entered.
2. Alpha Tag is entered.
3. System type is set to P25.
4. Multisite is set to STAT

And that should do it. The WS1065/Pro197 can take it from there, knowing how to decode the two different modulation standards.

 

[ecps92]

I have both a Whistler (WS1065), and Radio Shack version (Pro 197). I use PSREdit500 to program each radio.

I would like to program in 3 new frequencies, all in the 825 MHz region. all non-MARCS.

The one frequency is 11K2F3E which is standard narrow-band FM analog. No problem with this one.

But the other two frequencies are 8K10F1D, and 8K10F1E.

Are the two digital frequencies entered as Conventional? Am I correct to assume this is not a trucking function, ergo no "Talkgroup"?

Can someone set me straight on how to set up the two digital stand-alone channels in PRSE Edit?

Conventional, just like any VHF, UHF channel would be for FM, you just select it as P25
Question (as I dont have my radio with me today) would it even take, since it is outside of the 805-824/850-869 band plan

Who/What are you attempting to listen ton in 825 ??

 

[W8HDU]

Conventional, just like any VHF, UHF channel would be for FM, you just select it as P25
Question (as I dont have my radio with me today) would it even take, since it is outside of the 805-824/850-869 band plan

Who/What are you attempting to listen ton in 825 ??

I mentioned 825 as a generalization to shorten the post. One channel is in the 805-824 portion, the other in 850-869. Both not associated with MARCS, but somehow can be interconnected. I'm not sure on the specifics, use, or intent. I'll have to check and see what the modulation differences are between 8K10F1D, and 8K10F1E.

 

[dave3825]

One channel is in the 805-824 portion, the other in 850-869. Both not associated with MARCS, but somehow can be interconnected. I'm not sure on the specifics, use, or intent.

If you post the freqs someone can give advice or help better.

 

[Ronaldski]

Let us know these frequencies you want to put in, remember though generally ~820 MHz and down to oh 805 or so MHz lower are the input frequencies and are 45 MHz -offset from the repeater output.

That picture I gather you may have found elsewhere, but FYI if your trying to get MPSCS - Michigan, on that picture you gave, none of these frequencies exist. They were moved 15 MHz lower back in late 2013 due to rebanding.

I use PSREdit500 all the time and for many years- Expert . Far as is they are analog, you would click the "conventional objects" tab and put them in there by rightclicking in an open area and select 'New conventional object' and be sure to assign a scanlist#.

 

[W8HDU]

Solution found via private message. Thanks, everyone.

 

[ecps92]

I mentioned 825 as a generalization to shorten the post. One channel is in the 805-824 portion, the other in 850-869. Both not associated with MARCS, but somehow can be interconnected. I'm not sure on the specifics, use, or intent. I'll have to check and see what the modulation differences are between 8K10F1D, and 8K10F1E.

Don't waste your time with 805-824 those would be inputs to Repeaters, where your concentration should be the 850-869

Think of the programming this was, your doing the same as you would an agency using PL/DPL or CSQ
Program in the Repeater output then select the decode as P25/Digital and if needed the NAC or "NAC Search"

 

[ecps92]

Solution found via private message. Thanks, everyone.

and that is?? for others who may stumbled across your thread ?

 

[tvengr]

I use PSREdit500 all the time and for many years.

Where is the setting in PSREdit500 which determines if talkgroup ID's in a disabled scan list are locked out in subsequent scan lists? In ARC500, it is under Global Settings and Misc. There is a box labeled: Talkgroup Ignore. In Win500 it is under General Settings and Miscellaneous Settings. The box is labeled: TGRPs in disabled SLs = Locked Out. Thanks!

 

[Ronaldski]

Double click on a talkgroup and the window it pops up a check mark for lockout.
Also at Trunking objects tab, bottom right 'Select fields' you can add delete what you want to display with one being lockout.

 

[tvengr]

Double click on a talkgroup and the window it pops up a check mark for lockout.
Also at Trunking objects tab, bottom right 'Select fields' you can add delete what you want to display with one being lockout.

Thanks for your response. Those settings just affect lockouts on the individual talkgroups. If you look at the Global Settings in the PRO-106 (EXPERT BELOW), there is a setting for TGRP Ignore with a Yes or No selection. If that is Yes in the scanner or the box is checked in the software, here is what happens: Baltimore County Fire Main is TGID 9450. There are 3 divisions in the fire department (Central, West, and East}. I have Central in scan list 1, West in scan list 2, and East in scan list 3. TGID 9450 (Main) is included in all 3 divisions. If Talkgroup Ignore is checked in the software or set to Yes in the scanner and I turn off scan list 1 (Central), I can no longer receive Main in West or East in scan lists 2 & 3.

 

[tvengr]

I found this description in my PRO-197 manual for Talkgroup Ignore:
If set to Yes, TGRP wildcards will ignore calls on previously stored TGRPS that are mapped to disabled Scan Lists.

I found this setting in PSREdit500: Wildcard Ignores Stored Talkgroups.
This could be the same setting.

Unfortunately, it doesn't only affect using wildcards. When the same TGID is included in multiple scan lists, it locks out any occurrence of that talkgroup in any subsequent scan lists when a scan list including that talkgroup is turned off. I believe we found a bug in the firmware.

 

[Ronaldski]

From the PSREdit500 help file-

"Wildcard Ignores stored Talkgroups:

This option default to On. When enabled, talkgroup objects that are stored in inactive scan lists are treated as locked out talkgroups as far as a wildcard object is concerned. When these talkgroups become active on a monitored system, a wildcard object will ignore them.

If this option is turned off, and one of these talkgroups becomes active, the wildcard object will display the STOR option for the talkgroup. Pressing the F3 key will warn that this is a duplicate object and confirm that you want to store it again. In this mode, the wildcard will only ignore locked out talkgroup objects that are in an enabled scan list only. Talkgroup objects in disabled scan lists will be shown by the wildcard object."

 

[tvengr]

From the PSREdit500 help file-

Thank you! An unintended consequence of this option is that, when enabled, it locks out duplicate talkgroups in scan lists subsequent to a scan list when that scan list contains the talkgroup and is turned off. I couldn't figure out why I couldn't receive Fire Dispatch in scan lists 2 and 3 when I turned off scan list 1 until I discovered what the Talkgroup Ignore option does. It may have been designed to help when using wild cards but creates other problems. If the default setting were Off, this problem would not occur.