PSR-500 pause vs manual

[captaincraig44]

Just want to see if others are noticing the radio operate in the same way. When you hold on a TGRP object by hitting the MAN button, the object will be held but the radio will still check other control channels for that TGRP to show up (assuming STAT mode and a multi-site system of course). When you hold the object via PSE button, it doesn't seem to search other CC's for TG activity. I looked in the manual and it does not address this difference. Am I seeing what is actually happening, or does it search for other CC's when using the PSE button?

 

[DaveIN]

That's interesting. I had not not noticed that. This is all the manual says.

To pause the scanner on an active object so that the scanner
does not resume scanning, press the PSE (Pause) key while the
scanner is stopped on that object, and press SCAN to resume
scanning. Alternatively, you may press MAN to monitor an active
object. Although PSE and MAN both stop the scanner on the
active object, there are some small differences in how they
operate. PSE pauses the scanner but keeps the scanner in scan
mode, resulting in faster stop/start operation. MAN stops scan
mode completely, and allows you to browse the file system to
select other objects to monitor.

 

[WayneH]

I noticed it too. When PSE is pressed it holds the talkgroup and the CC it was heard on.

 

[DaveIN]

Well, I guess it's good to have the option.

 

[captaincraig44]

Kind of a quick switch between STAT and ROAM modes. Wonder if it searches for a new CC if the original CC goes out of range while on PSE?

 

[kikito]

Come on guys! I've been mentioning that feature for the longest time, in many posts and since the 2nd week the radio came out!

Yes, PSE stays on the current TG and current CC. MAN stays on the current TG but once the delay runs out, it starts looking for the same TG across all the CCs programmed and in range.

 

[captaincraig44]

Sorry Kikito,
I'll monitor every post you make and read EVERY post (of the how many hundreds of threads, each a few pages long) about the 500 before I post anything else. (If I knew how to insert the rolling eyes icon, it would go here)
Chill out man. Search gave me nothing. I don't have time to spend hours or days sifting through all the information like others do if search doesn't get it for me.
My apologies. I'll just go crawl back into my box in the Colorado forum.

 

[dfoutch]

Saying it another way, A manual hold on a CC allows all TGs on that CC to be heard. Whereas using pause, holds on to just that one TG. em i right or wrong. df

 

[captaincraig44]

DF,
The scenario that I was looking at was this: You are scanning a given scan list and a TG comes up that you want to listen to. If you press MAN to hold it, the radio will listen on the last CC the TG was on until the delay time is up, then it will cycle through each CC in range and check to see if the TG is on the new CC. If you just hit pause, the radio will hold the TG and will not cycle through the CC's, it will remain on the last CC it had.

 

[DaveIN]

Manual on the wildcard should show all the talkgroups for that system as DF describes.

 

[kikito]

Sorry Kikito,
Chill out man. Search gave me nothing. I don't have time to spend hours or days sifting through all the information like others do if search doesn't get it for me.
My apologies. I'll just go crawl back into my box in the Colorado forum.

I wasn't mad with anybody, especially not you. I was more like joking with an evil or sarcastic twist since I thought Dave and Wayne would've known about the "feature" in question by now....

I guess it didn't come out right, mainly due to the "stoic" nature of written text I guess....

 

[kikito]

If you just hit pause, the radio will hold the TG and will not cycle through the CC's, it will remain on the last CC it had.

And to add to that part, if it's loses the CC it was on during Pause, it'll lock on to the next one it finds from what I've seen and experienced.

Whether GRE intended or not to do all of these neat things with PSE and MAN, it' still pretty cool and useful stuff. I noticed that both main brands (GRE and Uniden) have a lot of "undocumented" features in their latest scanners. Some are so useful that it's beyond me why they didn't even mentioned stuff like that in their respective manuals.

 

[n4jri]

Saying it another way, A manual hold on a CC allows all TGs on that CC to be heard. Whereas using pause, holds on to just that one TG. em i right or wrong. df

A manual hold on a CC itself, won't give you all the TG's, so far as I know. A manual hold on a WILDCARD TG will give you TG's that aren't locked out, or on inactive scanlists. If the CC changes while in manual, the radio will theoretically (I haven't tested this) find another CC and still monitor the same system.

Pause holds on the same TG AND the same CC that you stopped on.

I hope that helps.

73/Allen (N4JRI)

 

[captaincraig44]

A manual hold on a CC itself, won't give you all the TG's, so far as I know. A manual hold on a WILDCARD TG will give you TG's that aren't locked out, or on inactive scanlists. If the CC changes while in manual, the radio will theoretically (I haven't tested this) find another CC and still monitor the same system.

Pause holds on the same TG AND the same CC that you stopped on.

Correct on both accounts based on my observations. That would be something that you would have thought GRE might have wanted to make note of in the manual. It can be a very useful function. My guess is that the tech writers that laid out the text of the manual didn't see the value in it or thought it was repetitive information if they didn't have a thorough understanding of the way these radios and radio systems work.

 

[captaincraig44]

I wasn't mad with anybody, especially not you. I was more like joking with an evil or sarcastic twist since I thought Dave and Wayne would've known about the "feature" in question by now....

I guess it didn't come out right, mainly due to the "stoic" nature of written text I guess....

Part of it was just an overreaction on my part after having a bad day, but to someone who has not conversed with you and built up some kind of rapport it could have (and obviously did in this case) come across as abrasive and attacking. Anyway, just wanted to post a formal apology to you in public in the thread so everyone knew there was no hard feelings.
Happy monitoring!

 

[WayneH]

since I thought Dave and Wayne would've known about the "feature" in question by now....

Sorry man, I have enough to read on here trying to keep things organized. I usually tune out after a thread hits 3-4 pages too.

 

[kikito]

A manual hold on a WILDCARD TG will give you TG's that aren't locked out, or on inactive scanlists. If the CC changes while in manual, the radio will theoretically (I haven't tested this) find another CC and still monitor the same system.

I don't think that's quite correct.

The thing to remember about Wildcards is that they'll behave differently depending on the mode you're in. When you press MAN on a WILDCARD TG, it will monitor ALL TG's, even if they're locked out or on disabled lists. When you're in SCAN mode then it'll behave like you mentioned, it won't monitor locked out TGs or TG's that are in disabled scanlists (as long as you haven't changed the Global default settings related to that).

Also when in MAN mode, whether you're on a Wildcard or a regular TG, the scanner will continue searching across all the programmed CCs like mentioned before.

 

[ech1253]

And to add to that part, if it's loses the CC it was on during Pause, it'll lock on to the next one it finds from what I've seen and experienced...

I drive often through the Mass SP Motorola Smartzone system and CC's change among the 22+ zones around the state, but I am often still within the patrol area of the same TG and sometimes like to "pause" on that one TG. It sounds like from this thread that MAN would be the preferred way (so I don't lose the TG once the intial CC is distant).

However, does anyone know how the lower and upper thresholds of the "Roam" setting are affected by PSE versus MAN?? Will PSE look for a stronger CC once the initial CC drops below the lower threshold? Or does MAN follow the ROAM setting? When you determined the PSE versus MAN difference, was your TRS set to STAT or ROAM?

Can you please clarify?

 

[DaveIN]

Sorry man, I have enough to read on here trying to keep things organized. I usually tune out after a thread hits 3-4 pages too.

Again, why not end the current thread and start a part two?

 

[kikito]

I drive often through the Mass SP Motorola Smartzone system and CC's change among the 22+ zones around the state, but I am often still within the patrol area of the same TG and sometimes like to "pause" on that one TG. It sounds like from this thread that MAN would be the preferred way (so I don't lose the TG once the intial CC is distant).

However, does anyone know how the lower and upper thresholds of the "Roam" setting are affected by PSE versus MAN?? Will PSE look for a stronger CC once the initial CC drops below the lower threshold? Or does MAN follow the ROAM setting? When you determined the PSE versus MAN difference, was your TRS set to STAT or ROAM?

Can you please clarify?

You know, I haven't used ROAM much to know how it behaves for sure when using MAN. I only used STAT in the main system I monitor. However, going by definition of the modes, I think when in ROAM mode it'll behave the same way as in Scan when you press PSE or MAN. Since that mode goes by signal strength, it'll stay in the current CC regardless until the thresholds set make it change to a better CC. In STAT mode, by definition, it's supposed to cycle through all the CCs programmed, hence why it behaves like that when in MAN.

So to answer your question with my "educated guess", when using ROAM, I think the scanner will behave the same regardless of MAN or PSE. It'll switch CCs when the thresholds dictate so.