Putnam 911

[jrock71984]

I noticed that Putnam 911 response and dispatch seem to be on 46.38 I was under the impression that dispatch was on 46.38 and reponse was on 46.44/46.54 did something change

 

[seagravebuff60]

I noticed that Putnam 911 response and dispatch seem to be on 46.38 I was under the impression that dispatch was on 46.38 and response was on 46.44/46.54 did something change

I seem to have been hearing everything still the same. I Sometimes hear the Putnam 911 Dispatcher talking to a mobile o 46.38. So maybe this could be what you are hearing? Other than that, I hear the dispatcher talking to mobile on 46.44 a majority of the time.

 

[jrock71984]

I seem to have been hearing everything still the same. I Sometimes hear the Putnam 911 Dispatcher talking to a mobile o 46.38. So maybe this could be what you are hearing? Other than that, I hear the dispatcher talking to mobile on 46.44 a majority of the time.

Maybe the medics on 46.38?

 

[seagravebuff60]

Maybe the medics on 46.38?

You might be be on to something there. I mostly hear EMS and medics on 46.38

 

[radioman2001]

I have found based on what the dispatcher has set up you will hear calls go out on any channel and even FD will go out on PD but without tones. I do know also that some of the low band antennas are being taken down in anticipation of the 700 system. That site is going to get crowded very soon.

 

[seagravebuff60]

I have found based on what the dispatcher has set up you will hear calls go out on any channel and even FD will go out on PD but without tones. I do know also that some of the low band antennas are being taken down in anticipation of the 700 system. That site is going to get crowded very soon.

700 system? Since When? I haven't heard anything about that lol im missing something.

 

[K2KOH]

I have found based on what the dispatcher has set up you will hear calls go out on any channel and even FD will go out on PD but without tones. I do know also that some of the low band antennas are being taken down in anticipation of the 700 system. That site is going to get crowded very soon.

Yes, yes it is

 

[CqDx]

According to the slow growth plan for Putnam County 700 system, they do show PCBOES site to be completed by Q1 2019 and full deployment of the system by Q2 2022. Though I don't know if Putnam County already went through the RFP process to select the radio vendor.

 

[seagravebuff60]

Is there any info on the Putnam County webpage regarding this 700 system? LIke meeting notes from the PCBOES?
I know that Westchester is also building out a 700 system too and there are notes and powerpoint presentations regarding this on Westchester's page, just was curious if Putnam had the same.

 

[jrock71984]

Is there any info on the Putnam County webpage regarding this 700 system? LIke meeting notes from the PCBOES?
I know that Westchester is also building out a 700 system too and there are notes and powerpoint presentations regarding this on Westchester's page, just was curious if Putnam had the same.

How will dispatch work will it be kinda like Rockland where it’s simulcasted onto something that pagers will be able to pick up
From my understanding there is no pager that does 700

 

[Thunderknight]

From my understanding there is no pager that does 700

The Unication G4/G5 can.

 

[GTR8000]

How will dispatch work will it be kinda like Rockland where it’s simulcasted onto something that pagers will be able to pick up
From my understanding there is no pager that does 700

Fire paging in Rockland is primary on 470.800 analog; the paging talkgroup on the P25 system is secondary to that. The rebroadcast of the Fire 1 talkgroup onto 470.800 was something that the fire departments insisted on having so they could monitor most of the activity on their pagers.

As far as pagers that work on 700/800, the Unication G4 and G5 are capable of both bands. They can decode QCII tones over analog, P25 conventional, and P25 trunking (both FDMA and TDMA). Obtaining a dedicated paging channel on 700 MHz is extremely unlikely to happen, as the spectrum is in high demand and almost exclusively for trunking. However a G4 or G5 pager could decode the tones if the trunked system has a dedicated paging talkgroup like Rockland does.

Another option for Putnam might be to continue to dispatch on low band until all law enforcement migrates from VHF to trunking, then re-purpose one of the VHF channels for paging. I have no insight into what Putnam is planning on doing, so I guess we'll just have to stay tuned and see how things unfold.

 

[jrock71984]

Fire paging in Rockland is primary on 470.800 analog; the paging talkgroup on the P25 system is secondary to that. The rebroadcast of the Fire 1 talkgroup onto 470.800 was something that the fire departments insisted on having so they could monitor most of the activity on their pagers.

As far as pagers that work on 700/800, the Unication G4 and G5 are capable of both bands. They can decode QCII tones over analog, P25 conventional, and P25 trunking (both FDMA and TDMA). Obtaining a dedicated paging channel on 700 MHz is extremely unlikely to happen, as the spectrum is in high demand and almost exclusively for trunking. However a G4 or G5 pager could decode the tones if the trunked system has a dedicated paging talkgroup like Rockland does.

Another option for Putnam might be to continue to dispatch on low band until all law enforcement migrates from VHF to trunking, then re-purpose one of the VHF channels for paging. I have no insight into what Putnam is planning on doing, so I guess we'll just have to stay tuned and see how things unfold.

At some point they will have to move off low band as it seems harder and harder to find radios and pagers that are still being Manufactured for low band Motorola Discontinued making low band when they came out with the minitor 6 I’m wondering if other pager company’s will follow in Motorola’s steps

 

[GTR8000]

At some point they will have to move off low band as it seems harder and harder to find radios and pagers that are still being Manufactured for low band Motorola Discontinued making low band when they came out with the minitor 6 I’m wondering if other pager company’s will follow in Motorola’s steps

The Unication G1 is still manufactured in low band models, 33-39 MHz or 43-49 MHz range.

That being said, it's tougher to find low band base stations these days, and at some point will be very difficult to keep old transmitters on the air if repair and service parts aren't available. Clearly the county would benefit from moving paging to VHF or UHF, not just for easier availability of equipment, but for better in-building penetration as well.

In my opinion, the ideal scenario involves a paging simulcast to blanket the entire county. Rockland has 12 transmitters simulcasting on UHF, Sullivan has 10 transmitters simulcasting on VHF, and Orange will eventually be simulcasting VHF from 14 sites.

 

[jrock71984]

The Unication G1 is still manufactured in low band models, 33-39 MHz or 43-49 MHz range.

That being said, it's tougher to find low band base stations these days, and at some point will be very difficult to keep old transmitters on the air if repair and service parts aren't available. Clearly the county would benefit from moving paging to VHF or UHF, not just for easier availability of equipment, but for better in-building penetration as well.

In my opinion, the ideal scenario involves a paging simulcast to blanket the entire county. Rockland has 12 transmitters simulcasting on UHF, Sullivan has 10 transmitters simulcasting on VHF, and Orange will eventually be simulcasting VHF from 14 sites.

I always found the uhf seems to be the best transmitting and Reciving inside concrete/brick buildings although If I’m not mistaken it doesn’t travel as far as low band does

 

[jrock71984]

While we are on the subject 60 control (westchester) will face the same issues they are on low band as well although it helps that some fire depts in westchester have uhf repeaters for 46.26 and I believe 33.96 and 46.06 as well they also have repeaters for some of the trunked channels as well

 

[radioman2001]

County Fire paging is still basically on low band. There are a number of cross band repeaters for the trunked channels, and some local departments have done this with the low band paging to VHF/UHF. In addition the county does page on some VHF channels mixed in for independent ambulance corps.

My prediction is when the 700 system is finally completed and used fire control will take over the 2 pair of VHF WCPD channels for paging. Since they are already simulcast sites,

 

[seagravebuff60]

Just food for thought, I was looking on the Putnam and Westchester FCC Licences Page and I saw 700 MHz frequencies Licensed to each County. In Putnam, they are all listed under the Public Safety 700 MHz Trunked group. For Westchester, they are listed under the Public Safety 700 MHz Trunked Group. Possible new frequencies?

 

[GTR8000]

Just food for thought, I was looking on the Putnam and Westchester FCC Licences Page and I saw 700 MHz frequencies Licensed to each County. In Putnam, they are all listed under the Public Safety 700 MHz Trunked group. But for Westchester, they are listed under the Public Safety 700 MHz Conventional & Trunked Group. Possible new frequencies.

If you're referring to the three frequencies licensed under SG license WQWF607 for Westchester County, those are nationwide interop channels licensed in Tarrytown for the bridge/river. They have nothing to do with anything being discussed in this thread.

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