Questions about listening to Shortwave using SDR

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Dirk_SDR

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these are two
The HackRF One PortaPack. They are SDR transceivers with TX in the mW range. You can listen to broadcasters, decode many signals like ADS-B, AIS, 433 MHz keycodes, ...
What they are not: very sensitive SW receivers.
So every device you mention here has pros and cons.
 
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I've got a pair of sticks arriving today. I'll let you know how confusing it all is! I did watch the Scanner School SDR intro lessons, so I have some hope!

Yep, it's confusing all right! Gonna hunker down and learn as much as I can using SDR# ("SDR Sharp") and the dozens (hundreds?) of available plug-ins. I'll come back in a few weeks with some observations and I'm sure many questions...

Happy New Year!
 

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Does anyone have any suggestions for setting up a "simple" loop or long-wire antenna indoors to test out some SW bands on an SDR? I have a balun and a 125 Mhz up-converter and I'd like to experiment with it before committing to anything 'serious' antenna-wise. Thinking 80- 40- 20- and 10-meter bands. Thanks!
 

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Does anyone have any suggestions for setting up a "simple" loop or long-wire antenna indoors to test out some SW bands on an SDR? I have a balun and a 125 Mhz up-converter and I'd like to experiment with it before committing to anything 'serious' antenna-wise. Thinking 80- 40- 20- and 10-meter bands. Thanks!

Well, if its going to really be temporary, my suggestions aren't about the size, but to try using those wall hangers that just stick onto a wall (available at most CVS's/Grocery stores/home depots) type and can be easily placed and removed, arranged as a a hexagon.

80m to 10 meters is a pretty wide range for a single tuned loop....

There are lots of loop ideas in the section on them in RR.

Another idea is to use be able to switch quickly between any antennas you set up so that you can see which works better (propagation can change so quickly that the time to unplugging and plug an antenna is significant.)


This is JUST an idea, but IMHO I would suggest two loops, one 3 feet in diameter with a tunable capacitor, and a second inner loop about 2 feet in diameter for the pickup loop. and work on receiving 10MHZ WWV.

of course if you don't want a tuned loop but a wire in a circular shape, then the only thing that applies is the idea to use those cheap wall hangers.

Thanks
Joel
Command 5 lb. Large White Utility Hook Value Pack (6 Hooks, 12 Strips) 17003-6ES - The Home Depot
 

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Does anyone have any suggestions for setting up a "simple" loop or long-wire antenna indoors to test out some SW bands on an SDR? I have a balun and a 125 Mhz up-converter and I'd like to experiment with it before committing to anything 'serious' antenna-wise. Thinking 80- 40- 20- and 10-meter bands. Thanks!
The best loop I found for my Airspy HF+ Discovery is the Youloop antenna, also produced by Airspy and copied in China.
If you have a balun (which one?) like the Nooelec 1:9, you could switch it to be an "unun", and connect a random long wire (about 12 to 17m) to one contact and a RF ground to the other.
 

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before I decide on a SDR, I am trying out the web based SDR servers. This way I can get a good idea of what I can expect to receive once I get my own hardware.

Honestly just buy something like the SDRPlay RSPdx and give it a go. They resell well in case it doesn't work out. IMHO, the software sucks but some people like overly busy GUIs.

The Perseus SDR is going on 15 years old and it's still one of the best performing SDRs. As with most SDRs there's a little 'setup' involved with respect to your antenna, noise, noise floor, etc. The Perseus is a one-time setup and forget it kind of SDR and that's the way I like it. The Perseus makers have their own internet-network so you can remote into other Perseus SDR around the globe. Sadly, some of the best ones are password-protected but there are plenty of free-to-play remotes too. The limit is just time-based.

My initial point though is that regardless of which SDR you get you need to have a good antenna. If you really are sure about SWL then invest in a quality amplified loop antenna -- Wellbrook or other similar loop.

Firstly though, I'd suggest a simple 9:1 un-un with a 60ft 14ga wire antenna stretched across your yard. Get it out in the open away from buildings, etc. Length or height above ground isn't important for now. Here's where you need to get a sense of your local noise and noise floor.

For a lot of us in suburbia, the noise levels have increased by a factor of 100 since the 1990s. It can really sour any SWL experience. If your noise situation is not an issue then count your blessings and move on to your antenna selection. Get that installed and up and running. You may find you can live with the SDRPlay and/or you can upgrade later.

It's an addictive hobby and you'll likely end up with at least 2 or 3 SDRs and probably 5 different antennas.
 

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Firstly though, I'd suggest a simple 9:1 un-un with a 60ft 14ga wire antenna stretched across your yard. Get it out in the open away from buildings, etc. Length or height above ground isn't important for now. Here's where you need to get a sense of your local noise and noise floor.
With those ingredients, I would suggest trying the loop on ground (LoG) antenna. It reportedly has a very low noise floor.
 

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The correct download link for the actual MacOS version is:
Thanks Dirk.
Screenshot attached.
I'm not able to see on that page just what to do to download the application. I have no idea what GitHub is or how it works but it is clearly way above my paygrade.
Can you help me out here?
Cheers
GitHub SDR++.png
 

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If you are registered in GitHub, you can download sdrpp_macos_intel.zip.
Thanks again Dirk. Managed to register an account and download the zip file.
Now it wants me to upgrade the OS from Catalina to Big Sur before I can install it.
I have a 2017 12" Retina, the last version produced by Apple. Mac forums tell me Catalina was the sweet spot OS for this device but Big Sur will probably be OK for my purposes. I'll have a think about it. I'm hoping Apple releases a new 12' Macbook this year.
Meanwhile, I will order an Airspy HF+ Discovery as it may take a few months before it will be delivered to New Zealand.
I am grateful for your assistance in introducing me to GitHub.
Cheers,
Rick
 
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