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This is probably a real dumb question. I was on the arrl website and it says all users are allowed to use several frequencies that go higher than i ever thought possible. It gives ranges past 275ghz.

What would am amateur do up there ? i have seen the band spectrum but i have never seen any radios past 3000 mhz. is there such radios in existence that go higher?

I m just not comprehending this and in this case Google is not my friend

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Current technology does not make it easy nor cheap to get there. As the thirst for ever increasing band width drives technology forward there will come a day when, much as in the early days when Amateur radio was banished to the useless wave lengths above 200 meters, those frequencies are put to a variety of uses.
 

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Really good answer from JHOOTEN. While available to us, they are VERY specialized and seldom used except for experimental usages. Conventional ham radios do not go that high and would require additional and usually expensive converters, amplifiers, and antennas. It definitely NOT for regular ham communications.
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While available to us, they are VERY specialized and seldom used except for experimental usages.
There are more hams active on the microwave bands that you realize. There are also some areas where microwave bands are used for repeater and remote base linking.
 
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do you know of a link that i could see and read about radios that operate in these higher bands. I guess i am still not clear what any amateur would use these bands for (minus microwave for linking) and the sort of equipment they would use. I am guessing something similar to aprs, winmail ect but i am just grasping at straws here.
 

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The microwave bands are actually quite populated, and during contests in metropolitan areas, they can actually sound like a pileup on 20 meters. Up to 10 GHz, getting on the air is now pretty routine, and most guys build their own radios. It's not unusual to have rubidium locked synthesized local oscillators, so running SSB and CW is as stable as it is on the lower bands. Receivers are extremely sensitive, and it's not unusual to be able to hear the black body radiation from trees, rocks, and other objects. Hearing it off the moon is a bit more challenging, but if you can do it, it's a pretty good sign that your receiver is working. All of the above is routine now, and can be done by moderately technical hams with an experienced mentor.

At 24 GHz and above, it's starting to get a bit rarefied, so far as population and radio performance goes. There are transverter kits for up to 47 GHz available off the shelf. Above that requires quite a bit of resourcefulness and an eBay account. There are some hams who have their own die bonding machines, and can get samples of transistors and other devices for extremely high frequencies, and build their own radios. There is an annual convention of microwave oriented hams, and there are examples of activity up to at least 120 GHz presented at these gatherings.

Amateur television is a heavy user of microwave bands up to 10 GHz that I'm aware of, and as has already been mentioned, a lot of repeaters and remote base systems are getting linked via microwave.
 

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do you know of a link that i could see and read about radios that operate in these higher bands. I guess i am still not clear what any amateur would use these bands for (minus microwave for linking) and the sort of equipment they would use. I am guessing something similar to aprs, winmail ect but i am just grasping at straws here.

San Bernardino Microwave Society

50 MHz & Up Group of Northern California

Northern Lights Radio Society

NTMS

Mt. Airy VHF Radio Club Inc.

Kuhne electronic*|*Products

Down East Microwave Inc. Supplier of amateur radio equipment for 50MHz and above

SHF Microwave Parts Company, economy microwave gunn source, dro, parabolic, semiconductor sales

http://www.microwaveupdate.org/
 

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The highest I've played around with was ~12Ghz, in the Ku satellite band for FTA TV. Fun stuff.
 

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Amateur operated wireless networks in 3 and 5GHz bands might be one of the more popular uses over time. 150mbps transfer rate with quite low cost easily deployable albeit commercial (a.k.a. Ubiquiti and similar) devices.

We're looking at using these for repeater interlinking / delivering high speed internet services for repeater linking and control purposes; another local group has already done just that.
 

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Reading the ham radio rules, it would lead you to believe that you need a ham radio license just to turn a flashlight on. Of course I know that's ridiculous, but it is slightly amusing because where do you draw the line between infrared and radio waves? I'm not sure if that line even exists, but the next time someone tells you to put away your laser when you're at the movie theater, just tell them "it's okay, I'm a ham radio operator! I'm licensed to do this!!!"
 

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Raging -- Radio Waves
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120GHz (nor 999GHz for that matter) is no where near infared which is ~420THz. But your point made me laugh because I could see that happening.

Reading the ham radio rules, it would lead you to believe that you need a ham radio license just to turn a flashlight on. Of course I know that's ridiculous, but it is slightly amusing because where do you draw the line between infrared and radio waves? I'm not sure if that line even exists, but the next time someone tells you to put away your laser when you're at the movie theater, just tell them "it's okay, I'm a ham radio operator! I'm licensed to do this!!!"
 

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Reading the ham radio rules, it would lead you to believe that you need a ham radio license just to turn a flashlight on.
There is nothing in the FCC rules that would lead anybody to believe that. The FCC does not regulate the radio spectrum above 300 GHz.
 

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There is nothing in the FCC rules that would lead anybody to believe that. The FCC does not regulate the radio spectrum above 300 GHz.

I didn't know if that number existed but there you go. I was just trying to make a joke though ;)
 

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I didn't know if that number existed but there you go. I was just trying to make a joke though ;)

Gamma rays are frequencies of AT LEAST 10 EHz (exahertz) and represent a wavelength of ~10 picometers which is smaller than the width of a single atom. So yes 300 GHz exists. :)
 

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Gamma rays are frequencies of AT LEAST 10 EHz (exahertz) and represent a wavelength of ~10 picometers which is smaller than the width of a single atom. So yes 300 GHz exists. :)

No no no, I'm not that ignorant haha. By "that number" I was meaning the bureaucratic number where the FCC separates microwaves from infrared. Trust me, I knew that 300Ghz was an actual electromagnetic frequency.
 

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Well I assumed not, but I figured I'd jump on my soap box anyway. haha.
No no no, I'm not that ignorant haha. By "that number" I was meaning the bureaucratic number where the FCC separates microwaves from infrared. Trust me, I knew that 300Ghz was an actual electromagnetic frequency.
 

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...By "that number" I was meaning the bureaucratic number where the FCC separates microwaves from infrared.

300 GHz isn't what the FCC uses to separate RF from IR. It's more in line with the current state of the art, and spectrum that either needs regulation, or needs to be considered in planning for future allocations.

My 1956 Reference Data for Radio Engineers (ITT Corp/Stratford Press) says that all above 10,500 Mc is unallocated. My 1985 Reference Data for Engineers (H.W. Sams) says its at 275 GHz. When I was first licensed, the amateur allocation included all above 30 GHz. The current Part 97 rules indicate that all above 275 GHz is allocated to amateur.

Yes, there are people operating that high in frequency.
 
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