Rita Heading For Oklahoma

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In case y'all haven't been keeping up with the latest, Hurricane Rita is expected to make landfall in Texas, then head north into Oklahoma on Sunday. According to an email from NWS-Norman, this could cause heavy rains during the day Sunday. This, I expect, will result in flooding, including flash flooding. Time to update all your emergency management freqs.

Here's a great website for tropical storm information: Crown Weather. Lots of models, graphics, and forecast discussions.

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How much rainfall would it take to cause major flooding in your state? I've been studying hurricanes for a couple of years now, and it seems that once a storm makes it inland that far, it usually has disipated dramatically. It seems quite some distance from the coast of Texas to the most southern point of OK. Yet who knows, you guys could possibly get all the left over percipitation.
 
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We can usually get some pretty serious rainfall out of hurricanes when they hit down there, and it results in localized flash floods. Oklahoma has no natural reservoirs, so everything runs off fast, then it hits the corps of engineers flood control lakes, and they help, but a few rivers will still get out of their banks.
 

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It's still too early to tell but we could get massive amounts of rain. Mark is right it's time to get your EMA and storm spotter frequencies ready just in case. If Rita is a cat. 5 when it hits then there could be tornado watches all the way up Texas to us. We will keep monitoring.


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Wow! I've monitored hurricanes mostly from a maritime perspective, and being from an area that can effectively handle the aftermath (the Northeast), I don't know much about what they can do in low lying, land-locked areas. I think with all the lessons learned from Katrina, civil engineers would begin to ask for funding to build those reservoirs, just in case. In the Northeast, we have hard shores, and if they aren't, we have shores that are elevated. Don't get me wrong these hurricanes can do quite a number, but the aftermaths up here aren't nearly as devastating.
 

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cj5 said:
In the Northeast, we have hard shores, and if they aren't, we have shores that are elevated. Don't get me wrong these hurricanes can do quite a number, but the aftermaths up here aren't nearly as devastating.
Unless your address now happens to be the middle of a navigable waterway.
 

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pfft, huh, well seeing how its THE MIDDLE OF SEPTEMBER and we still have dewpoints in the 70's and no cold fronts or drier air expected we could be up sh@t creek. i have not taken time yet to look at the extended models so i dont know if it has a chance to get hung up over oklahoma or just pass thru. i agree, anyone who has the ability to get prepared,should do so now. its oklahoma, you all know the drill and the old saying about oklahoma. i know we wont have the violent effects of a hurricane,just the potential for lots of rain depending on what i said above.
 

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Well, if this works, here is the latest "educated guess" from OUN. Looks like southcentral up to northeast Okla. are in for the heaviest rain, but I heard earlier that the path through Okla. depends greatly on how far east or west Rita makes landfall. The further west, the more of Oklahoma it will traverse. We'll see.

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Some additional information, from Larry Cosgrove's WXAmerica newsletter:

TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
(systems to watch in the lower latitudes in and near North America)

The key to forecasting the eventual landfall of Hurricane Rita is by looking at what is steering the growing storm. Since Rita is a full-blown synoptic scale hurricane, with an imprint visible even on 200MB charts, longwave features such as upper atmospheric ridges and troughs will serve as a guide to the motion of the storm. The system in question is a very strong heat ridge stretching from TX and OK into GA and SC. The lower level portion of the anticyclone shifts to the Carolinas by 72 hours, while the 500MB signature retrogresses to NM. This creates an opening or weakness for Rita to move northward on Friday, allowing a change from a westward heading to northwest, into TX.

The exact point of impact is somewhat problematical, since the range of model solutions runs roughly from Port Arthur to Brownsville in the Lone Star State. A lot would have to happen to the heat ridge for an E TX strike (namely, complete collapse of the anticyclone after the core reaches W NC), so the middle cluster of solutions would probably work best, from Corpus Christi to Galveston. I will pick Freeport for convenience, which is not at all an ideal solution for the Houston metro area. Since Rita has a large envelope of circulation, and should expand its area of convection much like Katrina did two weeks ago, the highly populated Galveston Bay and Houston City could be hit by steady wind speeds as high as 150mph. A major increase in strength seems likely, what with SSTs in the Gulf of Mexico beneath the eye as high as 90 deg F. The overall trajectory of Rita will slow, allowing torrential rains and spin-up tornadoes to rip up the eastern half of the state during the entire weekend. Without a surface adjunct to "grab" the diminishing circulation, it makes sense to predict a gradual northwest-to-north recurvature into N OK by Sunday evening. If numerical model forecasts of precipitation output are correct, it is possible that some communities along and to the right of the storm track could see as much as 18 inches of rain. Like Katrina, the surge potential will be immense (a Category 5 intensity is highly possible at some point within the next 72 hours), but Galveston TX at least has better protection thanks to its seawall. This is not going to be an ideal weekend for Texans, and the idea of a second historic tropical cyclone in less than a month is not farfetched.

Prepared by Meteorologist LARRY COSGROVE on
September 21, 2005 at 3:20 A.M. ET
Copyright 2005 by Larry Cosgrove
Reprinted with permission. Emphasis added by me.

Mark S.

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skywatch said:
It would be nice to get SOME rain, nothing here since spring... :(

What's the old saying: It never rains but what it pours." SOME rain, OK. Anywhere from 6 to 18 inches, NO!

For those that haven't been keeping up, Rita is now a strong Cat 4, Cat 5 imminent. The remnants are now looking like they'll head straight through the middle of Oklahoma at a slower pace instead of curving to the northeast and quickly exiting the state. This will provide for more heavy rainfall. The Red Cross in Tulsa is activating their EOC at 0700 local on Saturday, and are requesting amateur radio operators for daytime operations starting at that time.

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For our friends in the NE - even if we only get <6" and spread it out over 48 hours - around here we have two things working against us.

The first is clay soil that has been baking in the sun all summer - in other words, it's hard as rock and the water (especially if it comes fast) won't soak in - it just runs off.

The second is that generally it's pretty flat - we may be ~750 ft above sea level, but there's very little hill and valley, and what valleys there are - are 5 miles wide and 5 inches deep (not really, but you get the idea - until you've seen the Great Plains (from eastern Montana to the cap rock of north Texas) you don't know the meaning of FLAT. The water falls, it runs off, but it doesn't RUN anywhere - it just spreads out, floods one town, then flows downstream to the next bottleneck, where it spreads out and floods the next town, etc., etc. from (in our case - I'm in Tulsa, on the Arkansas River) west central Kansas through north central OK, Tulsa, Muskogee, Tahlequah, Fort Smith, Arkansas, Little Rock, etc. all the way to the Mississippi, then on down to New Orleans.

Yes, that's right, not only do we have to deal with all the rain, but any that falls in north Texas (within the Red River drainage or north) eventually ends up in the Mississippi.
 

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well i hope that there are no tornadoes spawning from the storm. My parents live in caddo county and i wonder does anyone have a link for ccso(caddo county sheriff office) or troop G(lawton)?
 

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the nws is saying isolated tornadoes will be possible.

ALSO AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TULSA OK
950 PM CDT WED SEP 21 2005

.DISCUSSION...
WILL SEND A QUICK UPDATE TO INCREASE CLOUDS ACROSS NORTHERN
ZONES AS UPPER LEVEL CIRRUS CONTINUES OVERNIGHT. ALSO WILL
LOWER TEMPS ACROSS FAR SOUTHEAST OKLAHOMA AS TEMPS ARE
ALREADY A FEW DEGREES COOLER THAN LAST NIGHT AT THIS TIME AND
LOWS THIS MORNING WERE IN THE MID 60S IN THE VALLEY AREAS.

CONCERNING HURRICANE RITA. 00Z MESO ETA SHOWING LITTLE CHANGE
IN OVERALL TRACK OF SYSTEM EXCEPT MAYBE TO SLOW OVERALL SPEED
FRIDAY NIGHT INTO SATURDAY AS HURRICANE APPROACHES THE TEXAS
COAST. IN ADDITION...LATEST 18Z GFS ALSO HOLDS OFF ON MAIN PRECIP
UNTIL MONDAY ACROSS SOUTHEAST OKLAHOMA. IF THIS TREND CONTINUES
ON 00Z RUN MAY HAVE TO LOWER POPS SATURDAY NIGHT INTO SUNDAY
ACROSS SOME AREAS. 10 PM CDT NHC TRACK UPDATE ALSO REFLECTS
A SLIGHTLY SLOWER TRACK ON MONDAY. EITHER WAY...TROPICAL SYSTEM
IS EXPECTED TO SLOW FORWARD PROGRESS DURING THE EARLY PART OF THE
WEEK WITH THE POTENTIAL FOR A HEAVY RAIN/FLOOD EVENT ACROSS PORTIONS
OF CWA.
 
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I heard on the news tonight that the state EOC and Tulsa EOC will be activated in the morning. Are they going to be on their reguar skywarn and EMA freqs and TGs? If anyone hears anything out of the ordinary please let us know.


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iamhere300 said:
I guess I should rent out my hilltop nuclear bunker south of tulsa.... Perfect for a storm!

I think I'm already in it. Unless you have another one. :)
 

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Rita heading for Oklahoma

Twobravo said:
I think I'm already in it. Unless you have another one. :)

Hmmmm... Perhaps a HAM call to go with the 2BRAVO?

Of course, no one is in it yet.... For about another month
most likely.
 
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