I'm very glad to see this, but it took far too long.
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Rugged Radios finally gets an FCC Smack-Down
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They're not legal for FRS, either, but there's less chance of causing a serious problem.
that’s why I did that. I chastised him and said they were preprogrammed with frequencies that were all over the UHF band and could interfere with local LE/EMS (they are UHF here). He wasn’t going to stop using them so putting them on FRS and lowest power setting was the next best option.
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Hey looky here! I found the "emergency channel". this is unbelieveable. I know most of the CCRs may have the dot business channels and thats to be expected but blantantly programming in licensed part 90 public safety channels wow
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BITD, 151.4900, is a Fire Command channel in the area, not 90 miles from Rugged's HQ"12 155.1600 RESCUE"CCR Default Frequencies - The RadioReference Wiki
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Hey looky here! I found the "emergency channel". this is unbelieveable. I know most of the CCRs may have the dot business channels and thats to be expected but blantantly programming in licensed part 90 public safety channels wow
KOH 1, 157.4500, is a public safety paging frequency
PRIVATE, 156.675, is Marine 73
Garbage company.
bill4long
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Not legal for FRS. Those radios are only legal for ham radio use by licensed hams. Just FYI.
yes, I know. Would you rather I let him keep them as they were and splatter RF all over public safety frequencies? 🤦🏼♂️
bill4long
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People can rent radios from commercial trunking systems and use them without a license. I'm not an expert on this subject, and I'm curious what the difference is, as specified in the regulations, between what trunking system rental companies do, and what Rugged Radio is attempting to do here.
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bill4long
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It's none of my business what you do with them. I'm just stating a relevant fact in case you didn't know.
They actually seem to be licensed on dozens of frequencies. I think their idea is that they sell you the radio and say you can use their license and expect you to use it correctly.
bill4long
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Under eligibility:
90.35 - Operation of a radio station at unspecified locations for varying periods of time during trade shows for a manufacturer/ wholesaler/retailer of race products.
Methinks their troubles are just beginning.
47 CFR § 90.35 - Industrial/Business Pool.
Here's what a legitimate radio system rental company's license info looks like. Note the "Eligibility" field.
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nd5y
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If you want to examine some licenses and applications of radio rental companies there is a list of them at the bottom of the wiki article.
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I would encourage any consumer who, in good faith, spent money on these radios while being intentionally misled by the vendor that the consumer was in fact, getting a "legal to use" product contact their credit card companies, banks, state consumer affairs office, etc. Take these lying turds for all they have. It really frosts my butt that companies commit this outright fraud against consumers. Tell em YOU MEAN BUSINESS.
That seems like a good idea but most of us have neither the time nor the money to pull that off.
Before you do anything, consult with an attorney to find out if you even have a snowball's chance in hell of actually being granted 'standing' by any court in this country. If the attorney you are dealing with operates on a contingency fee basis, they may not even waste their time if they believe that your chances for recovery are slim to none. I'm not saying that you shouldn't pursue this but what I am saying is choose your battles WISELY!
It would be called a Class Action Law Suit due to FRAUD.
For Bill4long,
When you rent a trunked radio system or other conventional repeater the are licensed by the company that is renting the equipment.
The licensing of these cheap radios by the company selling them and telling the the end user to use it correctly is not correct. The end user needs their own FCC license and needs to transmit the callsign by voice or CW.
When you rent a trunked radio system or other conventional repeater the are licensed by the company that is renting the equipment.
The licensing of these cheap radios by the company selling them and telling the the end user to use it correctly is not correct. The end user needs their own FCC license and needs to transmit the callsign by voice or CW.
bill4long
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Yeah, I know this. I was asking about the particular sections of Part 90 that determine this. I found it. Thanks anyway.
The thing to consider is that the FCC regulations are pretty clear regarding use of transmitters. One can buy all the radios they like, but the liability does not fall upon Motorola, Icom, Midland, or the sellers of such gear. It is the end user who is responsible for the RF output, once the mike is keyed.
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