Scanning P25 inputs

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FoxStang

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I am trying to determine a method to isolate communications on a P25 Phase I network's input frequencies from certain entities only, namely fire, police, and medical. I have successfully found which frequencies these are, but cannot find a way to narrow my scanner to only the entities I want to hear.

When setting up a system in Sentinel as a P25 Trunked system the scanner accomplishes this by looking for only certain predefined talkgroup IDs on the trunking control channel, but when a program is set up for monitoring the input frequencies there is no control channel to reference. I was hoping it would scan all the channels anyway, but this wasn't the case.

Instead, I set up a conventional system with every input frequency entered as its own channel. Doing this, I am able to hear every transmission for which I am in range of the original transmitter, regardless of which talkgroup it belongs to. On a conventional system, the only other filter I can see in Sentinel would be the NAC, which seems to be the same regardless of which TGID is transmitting. There is no field to enter a TGID when programming a conventional system.

And with that, I've hit a wall. Does anyone know of a way to separate a certain range of talkgroups from the whole when monitoring trunked channels as conventional ones? I don't care about following the actual conversation or else I'd just scan the repeater outputs as normal; I am doing this to identify when a member of the fire/police/medical services is transmitting close enough for me to be within range of its source. The Close Call feature is not of use to me for this purpose since it will not discriminate TGIDs either, and requires basically line-of-sight to trigger.

If it makes any difference, my scanner is a BCD436HP which is connected to GPS and an external vehicle-mounted antenna.

Thank you!
 

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No way that i can think of right now, but i have often wondered this myself
The trouble is, the trunked repeater inputs are kinda line of sight, based on modulation methods and design
 

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Enter the conventional frequencies in as a One Frequency Trunked system. This hack will allow you to enter in talkgroups on conventional P25 channels.
 

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Enter the conventional frequencies in as a One Frequency Trunked system. This hack will allow you to enter in talkgroups on conventional P25 channels.
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Wow
Thanks mike, i didn't think one frequency would work that way on p25. Thought i tried it before, i guess it was something else under trial.
Or i did not wait long enough for any radio users to be in close proximity! LoL
 

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Without entering as a trunked system, 1 frequency or otherwise, you are eliminating the whole process of following a trunked conversation on a system.

Input frequencies can be used by any unit on a trunked system, so picking particular frequencies does not really narrow anything down. And eliminates the ability to follow a conversation, the reply to which is likely to be on a different frequency. This is true even if you set up a 1 frequency trunked system, using TGID'S using just I'm put frequency.

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FoxStang

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Without entering as a trunked system, 1 frequency or otherwise, you are eliminating the whole process of following a trunked conversation on a system.

Input frequencies can be used by any unit on a trunked system, so picking particular frequencies does not really narrow anything down. And eliminates the ability to follow a conversation, the reply to which is likely to be on a different frequency. This is true even if you set up a 1 frequency trunked system, using TGID'S using just I'm put frequency.

Mark
SDS100/536/436/ws1095/996p2/996xt/325p2/396xt/psr800/396t/HP-1/HP-2 & others
That is totally acceptable for my purpose, I only want to know when a transmitter is near enough that it would be within simplex range. I do not need to follow the conversation.
 

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That is totally acceptable for my purpose, I only want to know when a transmitter is near enough that it would be within simplex range. I do not need to follow the conversation.
Understand. In that case you don't need talkgroups. Just program all the non-control input Voice channels in a conventional system.

You won't be able to limit it by police or fire, etc.

Mark
SDS100/536/436/ws1095/996p2/996xt/325p2/396xt/psr800/396t/HP-1/HP-2 & others
 

FoxStang

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Understand. In that case you don't need talkgroups. Just program all the non-control input Voice channels in a conventional system.

You won't be able to limit it by police or fire, etc.

Mark
SDS100/536/436/ws1095/996p2/996xt/325p2/396xt/psr800/396t/HP-1/HP-2 & others
I did that, nice to be able to hear some activity but I really want to narrow by TGID.
 

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I don't think you can.

In my case, we only have two users on our 800MHz EDACS system so scanning the inputs works for me (at times).
 

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I scan inputs as the modern version of "Bear Tracker" that Uniden used to have on their scanners. Lucky for me, in my area only PD use P25. Fire/EMS and everything else is analog, so if I get a hit on a P25 input channel--it is Bear Tracking.
 
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