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I have been using SDRSharp with no major issues for a while now - however all of a sudden the other day I get a error message upon starting up SDR# stating "The application has failed to start because its side-by-side configuration is incorrect. Please see the application event log or use the command-line sxstrace.exe tool for more detail."

Has anyone else suddenly got this error out of no where? What is the application event log and what would i be looking for?

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I have not seen this error in SDR#, but I also use a very old version.

Generally speaking...I've seen "side by side configuration" errors caused by malformed XML in the application's accompanying configuration file (sdrsharp.exe.config).

Unless you changed this file with a text editor...this is not something you caused or can fix; you'd need support from the SDR# developer.
 

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In my sdr folder, I have a file called "crash.txt". Maybe that's the file? What version do you have?
 

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I think I run v1361, but it's been many months since I last used it.

Crash.txt is likely a log of what happened, but that's not a file that would cause a problem. Again, you need to get support from the SDR# developer on what's happening.

(I was just sharing general experience about that same error from my many years of developing C# / .NET.)
 

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I dont even know what version im running but yeah its probobly outdated

I dont see the crash.txt either thing so perhaps its just simply time for a update

What i need to do also is some routine computer maintenance such as error checking and whatnot so i will see what happens after that...
 

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At the top of your SDR# window border it should say SDR# v.......there was a guy a while back who posted a screenshot that was on v0.0.0.0..yours might be an even earlier release that doesn't even show the version number?
 

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Still having the same problem even after the error checking,etc so i guess its just time for a uninstall/install or update...
 

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I believe all you need to do is download a new version . It runs out of the folder so there is no uninstall for sdsharp.. Just dl a new on and run it out of that folder.
 

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So i downloaded the newer version(the one that crashed was 1.0.0.1331 the new one is 1.0.0.1434) and its at least starting up - but it dosent seem to be detecting the dongle itself - i have "RTL SDR(USB)" selected for the device and when i hit the play button or whatever it just says "No device selected"...
 

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yeah that was a simple fix for that problem - i just had to run the Zadig and the install-rtlsdr thing

But now the problem seems to be with DSD - its as if DSD dosent "recognize" the SDR...
 

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Are you running a virtual audio cable?

If so, are you running the DSD plugin?

If so, is it set the for virtual cable input?

If so, is DSD+ set to decode from the virtual cable output?
 

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Ok so i am almost pretty much back up and running but now i ran into another problem -

When i fine tune i usually pick a DMR control channel that i know is constantly transmitting but now when i go to tune it seems that everything is way off frequency and as i am trying to center it the frequency correction maxes out at 1000 yet it still is off,,,
 

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Could be an issue with your stepping size and not directly caused by the ppm (if that's what you meant by the 1000 reference). Try this to get things back in working order:

Set your ppm to 0, just for testing. Set the stepping size to 1 kHz for testing. Set the Sample Rate (under the RTL-SDR settings) to 1024 MPS again for testing.

Tune SDR# to 470.310 MHz which is one of the ATSC carrier signals here in the US (our digital TV system).

Look at where the actual peak of the signal appears on the spectrum, it'll either be to the left or the right of the centerline (and yes it could be very very far off because the ppm is set to zero.

Decreasing the ppm will shift the peak to the left of center, increasing it shifts it right. Don't change the frequency info at this point, just start adjust the ppm one step at a time as needed, and continue adjusting it until the peak gets as close to the center as possible - don't waste time trying to get it perfect - just get it as close as possible to the center. On one of my RTL sticks with the 55 ppm value, at 55 ppm it's just a hair to the right of center (this stick when warmed up would technically have something like a 54.655 ppm (that I've calculated) but it's not necessary to get it that precise.

Anyway, use the zoom feature of SDR# (slider on the upper right) to zoom in to about half-scale or 50% and look for the top of that peak and adjust till it's as close to center as you can with the ppm - it'll be either slightly left or right of it as noted and that's fine, that's what you're looking for.

Let the stick warm up for 5-10 mins just tuning that one frequency, you might even notice on the waterfall as the signal slowly shifts left or right during this process which is ok as well. After 5-10 mins when it's fairly consistent, and the ppm setting has the peak as close to center as it'll get without adjusting the actual frequency you're tuned to or adjusting the stepping, you're done. You should only need to adjust the ppm basically one time - once the stick is warmed up and at operating temps, unless you stop using it (close SDR# or whatever) it should remain "on frequency" at the ppm you now have locked in for that stick - if you have multiple sticks, do the same process for each of 'em and perhaps even label them with a piece of tape or something with the ppm so you know at a glance what's what.

Set everything back to "normal" except for the ppm and you should be good to go. For my setup and that one stick, this is what mine looks like at 55 ppm on that frequency:

 

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Could be an issue with your stepping size and not directly caused by the ppm (if that's what you meant by the 1000 reference). Try this to get things back in working order:

Set your ppm to 0, just for testing. Set the stepping size to 1 kHz for testing. Set the Sample Rate (under the RTL-SDR settings) to 1024 MPS again for testing.

Tune SDR# to 470.310 MHz which is one of the ATSC carrier signals here in the US (our digital TV system).

Look at where the actual peak of the signal appears on the spectrum, it'll either be to the left or the right of the centerline (and yes it could be very very far off because the ppm is set to zero.

Decreasing the ppm will shift the peak to the left of center, increasing it shifts it right. Don't change the frequency info at this point, just start adjust the ppm one step at a time as needed, and continue adjusting it until the peak gets as close to the center as possible - don't waste time trying to get it perfect - just get it as close as possible to the center. On one of my RTL sticks with the 55 ppm value, at 55 ppm it's just a hair to the right of center (this stick when warmed up would technically have something like a 54.655 ppm (that I've calculated) but it's not necessary to get it that precise.

Anyway, use the zoom feature of SDR# (slider on the upper right) to zoom in to about half-scale or 50% and look for the top of that peak and adjust till it's as close to center as you can with the ppm - it'll be either slightly left or right of it as noted and that's fine, that's what you're looking for.

Let the stick warm up for 5-10 mins just tuning that one frequency, you might even notice on the waterfall as the signal slowly shifts left or right during this process which is ok as well. After 5-10 mins when it's fairly consistent, and the ppm setting has the peak as close to center as it'll get without adjusting the actual frequency you're tuned to or adjusting the stepping, you're done. You should only need to adjust the ppm basically one time - once the stick is warmed up and at operating temps, unless you stop using it (close SDR# or whatever) it should remain "on frequency" at the ppm you now have locked in for that stick - if you have multiple sticks, do the same process for each of 'em and perhaps even label them with a piece of tape or something with the ppm so you know at a glance what's what.

Set everything back to "normal" except for the ppm and you should be good to go. For my setup and that one stick, this is what mine looks like at 55 ppm on that frequency:


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I will try that

Yeah i know that i didnt just leave the frequency correction at zero the last time - i definitely had to fine tune it but once it was set i never had to touch that again
I should have wrote the exact value down...
 

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I write the values on the USB connector itself using a Sharpie.
 

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That process seemed to have worked for that TV freq. but im still having the same problem when i try to tune another frequency
I took a screenshot of exactly whats happening...
 

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In that pic you have the ppm adjusted for 1000 which of course is going to make it off-frequency which you've already established. :)

I just noticed something that could be causing your issues so try this first then follow the steps below - uncheck the box that says "Swap I & Q" - that should never be selected/checked. That alone can cause a massive shift in frequency reception. If that helps, good, if not go to the steps below.

So here are the steps again:

- with everything off (meaning you're not actively monitoring anything), click the gear icon, set the RF gain for 32.8 dB (keeping it at max is not a good thing) - you should only use the max gain on some occasions if necessary to get the best signal you can because increasing that to max just brings in a ton of spurious noise and images - these RTL sticks ain't the greatest things where noise and interference are concerned

- set the Sample Rate to 1,024 MSPS

- set the ppm to 0 (not 1000, but 0)

Click Close and then click Play to start the tuning process.

- set the bandwidth to 8000
- set order to 500
- check Snap to Grid (if not already checked)
- check Correct I/Q (if not already checked)
- set the Step Size to 1 kHz
- tune to 470.310 MHz - don't do anything else, just tune to 470.310 MHz

Obviously if 470.310 MHz is the center frequency - regardless of whether you're on the signal or not - the red centerline indicator will be at that frequency but you should now see the actual signal peak someplace on the spectrum. When you see the signal peak (even if it's not centered and we know it won't be at that point), take a screenshot at that point and post it here so I/we can see how far off things are - make sure to have the settings window up as well as you did in that shot above so we can see them floating over the main SDR# window.

Once you've done that then we'll see about getting you on frequency. Also, are you using more than one RTL stick at a time? If so then you need to do this process for each of them - when SDR# is "off" you have to click the gear icon and change the device at the top - each of them will have different ppm adjustments obviously. If you do have more than one stick post a screenshot from each of them using these steps.
 

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The ppm is 1000 in that screenshot because thats the closest it gets to the desired frequency before it maxes out

I am only running one stick and i will definitely try unchecking the Swap I&Q - i probobly had it set that way before and forgot...
 
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