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The Storm prediction center has placed almost all of Alabama, and the Southeast under a moderate risk for Thunderstorms, and possibly daminging Tornadoes for Thursday. That will very likely be upgraded to a high risk at some point. I know we hear our local people get wrong sometimes, but it never hurts to be on the alert. This system does have the ingriedients to be very potent. Stay Safe, and pray for our public servants if in fact that anything does happen.
 

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Yes, it'll probably get bad for some part of the state at least. Keep your NOAA radios tuned in, especially when you go to bed.
I'll be safe in the dungeon tomorrow... hopefully they will not make us stay any longer than our normal shift.
 

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Seems hard to believe the atmosphere is going to destabilize as rapidly as predicted with a dewpoint of 33 right now in Prattville. Still the moisture plume headed our way looks impressive so I guess things will moisten up by morning. If we get some clearing and afternoon heating, it looks like we could be in for some pretty violent storms. I guess it's time to get the patio furniture in. :)
 

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Hey Jim,

The SPC still says that we will get some clearing after A.M. rain. Have seen some of those storms in Kansas tonight? They look pretty impressive. Check out www.alabamawx.com if you haven't already and look at those storms. I'm with you though, it does seem a little far out, but Then the SPC doesnt give out these moderate risk warnings on a whim. Guess we will wait and see. Good to hear from you, and stay safe there in Prattville.

Clay.
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Hi Clay,
Yes, indeed, those storms in Kansas are very impressive but they are being caused by a dry slot front of cold air encountering some relatively warm and moist air ahead of the front. There are some storms beginning to fire off in Mississippi right now but only in the north half, where dewpoints are in the high 50's. The southern half still has dewpoints in the 30's and 40's and we're not going to get much convection going until we moisten things up. I have no doubt that severe weather is a threat here but the southern return flow is advancing much more slowly than predicted so it should be at least mid-morning before we get anything going here. There's more instability and forcing available with this front than last Thursday's but I'm not convinced it's going to be more than the usual early spring type thunderstorms and some wind here.
 

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10:10 am 03/01/2007 - Northwest Alabama is getting rain and thunderstorms. The wind seems to be picking up too. A TV weatherman said last night that the more rain we have before the bad stuff gets here at noon will lessen the severity. So, to quote Eric Clapton, "Let It Rain" (1970)
 

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12:45 pm - Round One is through the Shoals area and is moving into the Huntsville area. As the storms move northeast, they are weakening. Round Two is about one and half to two hours away.

Looks like Central and Southern AL is getting the worst so far. The Shoals area went under a couple of Tornado Warnings and some Severe Thunderstorm warnings as round One moved through. We got heavy rain, some lightening, and some minor flash flooding in the City of Cherokee. I've not monitored any damage reports thus far.

I'll be at work for round Two.
 

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anyone reporting to IPN alabama chapters on the big storms? entrprise and surrounding area's??
 

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Enterprise High School

Our prayers go out to the injured and their families in Enterprise and especially at the High School. The students were advised of the storm just before they were to be let out early for the day at about 12:45 PM... they were moved into the gym and adjacent hallways. The tornado made a direct hit, the gym roof collapsed as well as the concrete block walls next to the gym. According to the information officer at the S.O. that we spoke with at 14:07 hrs, there were "many" injuries...

This same series of storms went through Abbeville less than an hour ago and caused much damage near there as well. (posted 15:20 hrs)

This event is on-going and the watches and warnings are popping up faster than my PC weather tracking program can keep up with them...
 

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WSFA is reporting that 8 are dead in Enterprise.

Montgomery County had trees down and sightings of tornados on the ground in the Pintlala and Sprague area.

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In Birmingham currently in my stay here we are in a tornado warning til 6:15pm and I heard the alarm warning just a few mins ago so thats not a good sign. Good Luck & Be Safe. 73's Jamie (Git-R-Done)
 

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Latest is 18 dead with at least 15 of those in Enterprise High School. We had nothing but some occasional moderate rain and gusty winds here - only heard a few rumbles of thunder. We seem to be in a dry slot with areas only 35 miles south getting a train of storms all day.

I couldn't tell by looking at the pictures but it certainly appears that the gym is not constructed to withstand tornados. There are other parts of the school that were made to withstand tornados and I really question the reasons for wanting to send kids from a place that has a tornado shelter back home where many of them have no shelters of any kind. Assembling the children in the gym to get on busses was one of the things that lead directly to this tragedy. They dismissed Prattville High School at noon even though there was no severe weather in the area and none was showing on radar. The school is well built to withstand tornados and the kids should have been kept there until the normal dismissal time. I'd sure rather have my kids in a protected hallway instead of a structurally weak gym or, worse, in a school bus when a tornado hits.
 

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It seems there was concern statewide about the weather by 10:00 this morning. Radio stations were broadcasting Dothan and Houston County schools would be dismissed at 1:00. People were calling the radio stations and asking why because we knew the weather should be at it's worst by then. The weather has been talked about for days. I don't understand why it wasn't cancelled all day and not haul the kids to school just to decide to dimiss early at 10:00.
 

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SAR, Here is my 2 cents worth on sending kids home, NEver ever was done back when I was in school.. Now a days I THINK the only reason it is done... That if anything happens at the school, I the City.county or State Cannot BE held liable or Sued if they empty it out...??? Any comments or flames throw em on over lol

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Paul,
I'm sure your basic premise is correct but the school board in Enterprise has a much bigger liability problem now. First, as Wayne pointed out, if the school knew the weather was predicted to be severe, why have the children in school in the first place? My NOAA radio went off at 0721 this morning with a tornado watch. It seems like an untenable solution to cancel school everytime there is a tornado watch - school would be cancelled about once a week during the spring.

Alabama schools constructed since about 1960 have all included areas that are structurally able to withstand most tornado damage. I'm making what is perhaps a rash assumption that Enterprise High School had such a safe area. If the children had been sent to a safe area, there probably wouldn't have been any deaths (which are now being reported as 5 rather than 15 - there seemed to be some real scene coordination problems there). From news reports, the children were sent to the gym to wait for busses because it was raining. I'm no structural engineer but I know that the worse place you can be in a high wind event is in a structure with a large, minimally supported roof. As soon as the wind gets under the roof, the walls lose their structural integrity and collapse. Apparently, this is what happened today.

The reasonable solution seems to be to keep the children in school and in a safe area if a tornado warning is given. Yes, there is some liability in doing this but it's hard to sue and win against a government agency for following a reasonable emergency plan. I'll bet that having kids standing around in the gym waiting for busses while there was a tornado warning in effect is not part of the emergency plan. This is where they are going to have legal problems.

Paul, you didn't get sent home from school because school officials knew that the school was safer than probably 95% of the homes in Alabama if it was hit by a tornado. They also knew that the probability of a direct hit on any one place, including a school, was small. If, in fact, there was a real danger of the school being in the path of a tornado, would any reasonable person think the right thing to do was load all the kids in school busses and hope they don't fly too far if they are hit? I spent 25 years in emergency management and I know that something went wrong at that high school. If it was fear of liability by keeping the kids in school, they not only increased their liability by trying to get them on busses but, more importantly, cost some children their lives.
 
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Well, I did have to stay over 4 hours as the storms came through Jefferson County later than expected. No big deal tho.... no reported problems in the City of Birmingham that I know of. Prayers asked.... prayers answered.
 
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