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Single & Double DIN Scanner install questions/photos

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STiMULi

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My vehicle has a double DIN area for the install of the stock radio. There is also a mod to take another area and turn it in to a single DIN. That area is where I will move my AM/FM etc... radio in

In the Double DIN area where the stock radio was I have a BCT8 and I will be buying a PRO-2096 and I would like to put them both there .

These are the measurements:

BCT8 7.06"W x 6.10"D x 2.44"H
2096 7.25"W x 5.42"D x 2.25"H

the BCT8 is rounded to the next closest hunderedth.

Based on the information I can find a double DIN is approx 7"W x4"H. I also understand the the Pro2096 can be installed in a Single DIN.

The measurements do not match up. It seems that both the BCT8 and the PRO 2096 are too big to allow for any other device in a Double DIN arrangement.

Has anyone installed a BCT8 in a DIN radio mount?

The 1st person to do a DIN install of a pro-2096 please post it here!

Thanks
 

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I think you need the measurments for the din sleeve that comes with the Pro2096 as the scanner locks inside of it. Comes with 2 keys according strong signals.
 

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Re: Double DIN and PRO-2096 and BCT8

I'll certainly be watching this thread closely as I'm planning to do the same thing here within the next few months. I'll be replacing my stock double DIN stereo with an aftermarket single DIN stereo and a PRO-2096 with the speaker output on the PRO-2096 connected to the rear AUX input on the stereo.
 

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OK...hopefully I've found a topic I can actually help in.

As I was in retail electronics installation for about 7 years and and then an Installation Trainer for about 3.5 yrs., I think that this is what you'll need to look at.

1. What kind of car do you have? I would assume something Japanese as these are the cars that cover most of the "double din" openings out there.

2. After we determine the vehicle, then we need to determine whether or not you will be using a mounting kit or the factory mounting bracket.

3. On your BCT-8, does the trim bezel fit snuggly, or do you have a tiny little bit of play?

4. Depending on the fit of the BCT-8 and the type of car, you can do a miryad of things, all of which are fairly "easy" to do.


If you can post some of your information that I've inquired about, I can reply w/ step by step instructions or some ideas...whichever you'd like.

Mark
 

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Well, how about that! Someone that can answer questions around here, in something that I REALLY wish I knew more about ... car audio and installation! Maybe after I finish this phase of my life! :D

I plan on doing a Pro-2096 with an aftermarket AM/FM/CD. Since I was going to remove the OEM unit from my 1999 Ford Ranger, then I assumed that I would have to use an aftermarket kit to mount the AM/FM with the scanner? Correct? I wonder how an aftermarket trim kit will work this is setup?

Thoughts?
 

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Thanks Mark for your reply...

911scanner said:
1. What kind of car do you have? I would assume something Japanese as these are the cars that cover most of the "double din" openings out there.

2005 Subaru WRX STi (Double DIN)

911scanner said:
2. After we determine the vehicle, then we need to determine whether or not you will be using a mounting kit or the factory mounting bracket.

Whatever works :) as it is not done yet...

911scanner said:
3. On your BCT-8, does the trim bezel fit snuggly, or do you have a tiny little bit of play?

I haven't tried yet. I was going to wait until I had the Pro2096 and the replacement AM/FM/CD so I could do it all at the same time.

911scanner said:
4. Depending on the fit of the BCT-8 and the type of car, you can do a miryad of things, all of which are fairly "easy" to do.

I am very particular about the car so I will not be doing any mods to it :). I am willing to mod the radios a bit if needed :)
 

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2004 Saturn LW300-2 in my case. Just looking at the way the stock head unit mounts, I think an aftermarket mounting kit is a must here in order to mount two single DIN units in the same space. BTW, the stock head unit I'll be replacing is the AM/FM/TAPE/6-disc CD changer (all in one double DIN case).
 

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VERY LONG....Some install answers....

To try to vaugely answer most of the issues...

Any domestic vehicle will most likely need a kit, as most of them don't truly take up the entire DIN/double DIN hole or are bigger than a DIN /double DIN setup.

You can sometimes remove the snap/spring loaded clip type dealies and try to affix them to the sides of your radio/radios. if they have a mounting system similar to a Japanese set up, then you may be good to go.

Most of the Subarus in my day were not Double DIN, but very custom shaped mounts and custom kits needed for install.

With any double DIN unit, you have to look at how the original radio was affixed to the dash, then try to mimick that set-up w/ your new equipment.

In Japanese and some German vehicles, this was fairly simple as both of the components or radio & pocket were affixed to a "bracket" through the screw holes on the side of the radio. You would just take out the trim bezel, remove the 4 screws holding the radio brackets in, then viola-the radio & pocket with brackets affixed would come right out of the dash. Over to the bench with new product(s) in hand. Line them up with the old radio, remove the old radio from the brackets, slide the new radio between the brackets, screw in the new radio, then put back into the dash. Sounds easy.

Now to what most of you guys are dealing with. Great ideas, but won't be nearly as easy. Your vehicle's radios/cd players aren't mounted this easily. If you aren't willing to do some filing of a trim bezel or some modifications to a bracket or kit IT AIN"T GONNA HAPPEN!

Not to toot my own horn or pat the back of your local installer, but there is actually a reason why you get charged to install a stereo. You bring it to a shop, pay whatever amount of money, and expect it to work perfectly and look good too. There is an art to it, most of the time requiring some form of modification. If you're worried about putting back to stock, buy a second trim bezel so you can replace to one you filed down to fit the Pro-2096.

Anyway, one word of caution. SOME STEREOS, IF REMOVED, WILL AFFECT THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE CAR On some Hondas, if the stereo is removed, the keyless entry system will no longer work. On some GMs, if the stereo is removed, the airbag will no longer work. On some vehicles, if you remove power from the battery, the vehicle WILL NOT start again until towed to the dealership and a code entered.

My point is this. The cars on the road today are not your old '71 Chevy Nova. You can't just throw some stuff in the dash, eliminate other things and expect the car to work or for things to fit.

Start off by talking to your local higher end car install guys. Don't tell them you're installing a scanner, or they'll laugh and walk away (most anyway, 'cause I woulda thought you were cool and done it for free for 'ya) Anyway, tell them you want to install your own radio, using the parts you buy from them, of course. Then ask them how easy/difficult it might be based on your experience level. This is a great place to start, as you may find out you don't want to screw up your car.
Most guys are willing to give you a little info....a little. :twisted:

Anyway...anybody can PM me for specifics if they want, and I'll try to help with step by step stuff if you need it.

Mark
 

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PS Don't use the DIN sleeve unless you have to. The only advantage to using this is "quicker" removal of the PRO-2096. If it's any indication to you, I've thrown hundreds of these things away. Sometimes needed, but usually not.

PPS When any of you are thinking about this little project, plan ahead. Are you going to have a radio/cd player at all? Does my vehicle have a big enough opening for both? Do I have room to keep the stock radio & still add my PRO-2096? Etc....
 

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Thank you very much for the info. I have found that the only thing in my vehicle that doesn't work when the radio is removed is the radio :)

There is a section on the top of the dash that is made for a set of gauges that others have modded for the installation of the radio. They have saved the area where the radio was for the installation of video either from a DVD player or a computer.

I will be changing the title of this thread to allow for the inclusion of any DIN sized radio. Photos are requested as well :)
 

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While it is not a BCT8 or a PRO-2096, here is a picture of how I mounted a pro-2066 in a toyota. The stock stereo was removed from the bracket, the new HU and scanner mounted in the bracket (it required some slight bending to accomodate the scanner) and it was just bolted right back in the car. Ive done a couple of these like this, and it isn't as simple as replacing a deck, but it can be done almost always. Of course this was one of the "easier" vehicles, not all will have brackets like this, especially when you start getting into the American cars. (Exactly what 911scanner is talking about)

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Also if you are starting with a double din opening, with a factory single din deck, you need to consider the depth of the scanner. Some vehicles run heating ducts, support brackets, wiring channels (air bag systems), etc. in that area, which can limit how deep the scanner can be pushed into the dash. With a little work with a heat gun, the ductwork can usually be pushed back a little bit, but I wouldn't usually start modifying anything beyond that.....unless you really know what you are doing.
 

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Re: VERY LONG....Some install answers....

911scanner said:
On some GMs, if the stereo is removed, the airbag will no longer work.

Sounds like GM is begging for a lawsuit. If you remove the stereo, for whatever reason, and are in a crash and the airbag doesn't work, GM may as well send the victim a blank check.

Joe M.
 

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Disabaling of the airbag system (either knowingly or unknowingly) pretty much excludes the manufacturer from liability.

I am sure it could be argued. But it would need a very good lawyer. And a lot of money.


Now that that is said. I think it is quite irresponsible of GM to tie in the radio system to the (what should be a completely electrically seperated) airbag system.

I would think a 6 volt sealed battery and completely seperated electrical system would make the Airbag system alot more stable.
 

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Ordered the car in Dec. 2000 and picked it up in late Jan. 01. I purchased the 2067 the day before and installed the day the car came in. (BTW, the 2067 has only been programmed via cloning with a 92) The AM/FM/CD receiver was Standard feature with the car, the double DIN included a catch all pocket below the receiver. The brackets for this pocket is mounted on the receiver (one conveniently on each side) and I had to pull the receiver, bend these brackets and drill holes to match the side holes in the 2067. Then used the knob screws which came with the scanner and mounted the scanner to these brackets. Re-installed both as one unit. The escutcheon which snaps in place has strips perfectly in position to hide the mating just the same as with the catch all.

This 2096 is nearly a half inch wider, so I had to re-shape these brackets slightly and drill new holes, because the side holes on the new scanner are slightly different also and I had to replace the knob screws with flat head screws also because of the extra width.

The worse part was trying to get the camera in position to get a picture, this old body can't get in contorted positions anymore.
 

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I mounted a Uniden BCT-8 in the dash of my work truck, a 2003 International 4300. It has a factory DIN style knock out for an optional switch panel, I just pulled the plastic face off and mounted the scanner there. Here is a picture.

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In Japanese and some German vehicles, this was fairly simple as both of the components or radio & pocket were affixed to a "bracket" through the screw holes on the side of the radio. You would just take out the trim bezel, remove the 4 screws holding the radio brackets in, then viola-the radio & pocket with brackets affixed would come right out of the dash. Over to the bench with new product(s) in hand. Line them up with the old radio, remove the old radio from the brackets, slide the new radio between the brackets, screw in the new radio, then put back into the dash. Sounds easy.

Now to what most of you guys are dealing with. Great ideas, but won't be nearly as easy. Your vehicle's radios/cd players aren't mounted this easily. If you aren't willing to do some filing of a trim bezel or some modifications to a bracket or kit IT AIN"T GONNA HAPPEN!

Not to toot my own horn or pat the back of your local installer, but there is actually a reason why you get charged to install a stereo. You bring it to a shop, pay whatever amount of money, and expect it to work perfectly and look good too. There is an art to it, most of the time requiring some form of modification. If you're worried about putting back to stock, buy a second trim bezel so you can replace to one you filed down to fit the Pro-2096.

I will vouch for this. If you look closely at the high resolution photograph of my install of a Uniden BCT-15, you will see where I had to use a box cutter / X-Acto knife to shave away slightly in the fascia panel, because the faceplate of the BCT-15 is too big.



Here's what the completed setup looks like:


The BCT-15 doesn't include screws for the ISO 7736 install. (Specifically, the manual says "leave it to a professional" if you're not using the DIN sleeve, but it wasn't too difficult to do myself. A professional might have had the tacit experience to make it slightly prettier though.) Fortunately, I had screws from an old 3U rackmount computer that fit perfectly. I also had to file down four "nubs" (or "dimples") there were on the rack plates that screw onto the radio -- then the plates screw into the car. Furthermore, I had to sand the bottom lip of the spacer so it would fit. I also had to sand the top lip of the cup holder tray so that it would still pop in and out smoothly. (Sand a little, then test... then sand a little more, then test, until it just fits. Be patient doing this.)

I used the included (with the BCT-15) 3-wire (red, orange, black) to draw DC power from the car. (The molex-like plug that goes into the BCT-15 itself is a standard CB power cable plug.) The wire included in-line 2 amp fuses for the positive and dimmer lines.

The positive (red) I took by running it under the steering wheel (behind the vinyl dash) over to the internal fuse box hidden behind the storage box on the far left side. I crimped it into an "A-line" (HHH) which taps into a fuse there -- these A-lines are about $5 at an auto parts store. (Originally I wanted to tap into the 15A fog lights, but that didn't work, so for now it's tapped into the 15A auxiliary... although I also use that for a 175W power inverter. Would have preferred to diversify my current draw and not risk overloading the aux.)

The ground (black) I got a box of O-ring spades (14-16 gauge, also at the auto parts store) that included heat shrink wrap on the end (translucent blue), and crimped that onto the ground line. Finding a ground was tricky, but eventually I found a metal frame in between the glove compartment and where the double-DIN is that had a screw that other things were using as a ground. That screw seemed to difficult to get to without disassembling more of my dashboard, but that metal framing did connect to the metal rack that held my cruise control unit (located beneath the double-DIN, angled behind the ashtray / cigarette lighter), which has two screws holding that in place. So I used one of those screws as the ground, and it seems to be fine.

The dimmer line (orange) I was able to use from the wiring harness since my aftermarket head unit doesn't have a line to receive dimmer feedback. This involved soldering the leads and covering that with heatshrink wrap, as was done for all the other head unit wiring when I installed that.

For an antenna, I'm using the stock (whip?) antenna included with the car. I would greatly appreciate recommendations on a direct replacement "stealth" antenna I can use instead that's more suitable to scanning. I don't want to add any extra antennas.


I'm using the SP-1300 splitter/combiner, with adapters I was able to pick up from Radio Shack: one Motorola (female) to BNC (male), for the input; two BNC right-angle adapters (because of depth restrictions, one on the scanner and one on the antenna input for the head unit), one BNC (female) to Motorola (male) for plugging into the head unit, and a 3-foot RG-58 cable (with male BNC ends) connecting the splitter up to the head unit radio (which has the aforementioned adapter to male Motorola plug). So the Motorola plug of the antenna goes into the adapter to BNC which goes into the input of the splitter; one output of the splitter goes into the right-angle adapter into the scanner, while the other output goes to a cable up to the antenna port on the head unit.

This was installed in a eighth generation Toyota Corolla (E110).

I was originally worried about the BCT-15's speaker being loud enough to hear over the car stereo, especially with the speaker muffled / hidden behind the dash, but the built-in speaker of the BCT-15 is plenty loud, and it's great having it KISS and independent from the main stereo system.

I can leave the volume knob set to 2/3 and I'll hear it over the loudest I'll ever play the stereo; also the scanner starts and stops just fine when the power is cut out from the ignition. So all I ever have to do is start my car like normal, and the scanner starts up automatically within a few seconds.

I'm mostly using it for background scanning on Police, DOT, Highway Patrol, BearTracker, and WX warning alerts. So I wanted it to supplement my normal music / radio listening.

In the future I'd like to add a Garmin GPS 18 serial input (DB-9) all hidden under the dashboard so that the BCT-15 can automatically make a record of "dangerous crossings" (i.e. speed traps), and automatically configure the states for me instead of manually setting it.

I hope other people find this post helpful, because I had to do alot of hunter-gathering of information to work all this out, plus a little thinking it out for myself. Prying off the panels to work behind the dashboard would have seemed intimidating if I hadn't already gone through it to replace the head unit according to step-by-step instructions provided by Crutchfield. I also did alot of reading on these RadioReference forums (thanks everyone!)

All photos in this post are licensed as Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike 3.0 (CC-BY-SA) and hosted by the Wikimedia Commons.
(I do wish the RR wiki also licensed its images with Creative Commons / GFDL so they could be shared with Wikipedia.)

p.s. I also wish that cosmetically my green clock, blue head unit, and red scanner could all agree on one color. But this was secondary to the features and costs of the car, head unit, and scanner respectively.
 

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Here's mine

Here is how I replaced my double DIN sized stock Ranger radio, with a Single DIN Sony and an older RS scanner and intergrated the stock FM antenna with a coupler. It's a little lengthy in detail, so here is the link to the install:

http://www.rangerpowersports.com/forum/showthread.php?t=216385

I have since sold the truck and am looking to upgrade scanner and do the same thing to my 09 Tacoma...waiting for the aftermarket parts to hit the market.....
 
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