Site Tracking

[etihparg]

Okay, I zipped the file, hope this will work. Thanks for the help.

 

[etihparg]

Well, I have compressed the profile file, hope this works. Thank for the help. One of these should work

 

[troymail]

Okay, I zipped the file, hope this will work. Thanks for the help.

Zip is empty.

 

[etihparg]

Please try this. If it does not work maybe I can email it to you

 

[troymail]

Sometimes after it is on for a while, my G4 will go "silent" like it's lost the signal. When I power off then on, I immediately start receiving. Not sure why. Maybe system switching to a different control channel frequency?

Ok - looking at the config, I see two (three) systems defined (two appear to be the same with different system aliases/names - but only one is in use in your zone/knob config).

• TRWS-P
• TRWS-F (seems to be a copy of TRWS-P and unused)
• RWC

TRWS-P has 3 sites defined - 1 site looks to be a 9 tower simulcast and the other two "appear" to be stand-alone towers/sites.

RWC also has 3 sites defined - 1 site looks to be a multi tower simulcast and the other two "appear" to be stand-alone towers/sites.

At this point, I'm not sure which system you are monitoring when the radio is going silent. However, given the nature of the sites programmed for each of the two systems, a couple of questions:

• which system are you having this issue on (or is it doing it on both)?
  
• when you stop receiving, are you seeing/hearing and indications of "Out Of Range"?
  
• when you are receiving, which RFSS/Site is being displayed on the radio when no voice call is being received?
  
• most important question: when things go quiet, is the radio still displaying that same site or a different one?

I have encountered at least two systems - one in NC and one in FL - where a multi-site system has at least one site that carries little to no voice traffic. In a more general sense, some "stand-alone" towers tend to provide specific purpose/coverage (specific agency and/or gap filling) and if your radio locks onto and stays on that tower, the radio appears to no longer be receiving anything (note that when you do something like switching systems and/or power cycling may cause the radio to start searching for a site again and having it revert back to the simulcast/busy site).

Without any further details, I would not be surprised if the radio is potentially over time switching from the simulcast site on one or the other system to a stand-alone tower that may not be carrying as much/the same traffic and/or the talkgroups that you have programmed. I am only speculating at this point and don't want to say that it could not be some other issue related to the radio or firmware itself - just looking at possibilities. Depending upon the questions (and answers) above, we can try some things to verify and/or solve what you are experiencing (maybe).

Let's keep digging.

 

[etihparg]

Thank you for the reply.

I mostly monitor Gilbert PD (knob position 1). Usually I just have the pager on the counter top and after a while I realize I have not heard any transmissions for a while. At that point I just power off and on. No out of range, it is always in the same location. So I will now pay closer attention to the site/frequency it is on before re-powering and post what I find here.

 

[scannerhead]

Ok - looking at the config, I see two (three) systems defined (two appear to be the same with different system aliases/names - but only one is in use in your zone/knob config).

• TRWS-P
• TRWS-F (seems to be a copy of TRWS-P and unused)
• RWC

TRWS-P has 3 sites defined - 1 site looks to be a 9 tower simulcast and the other two "appear" to be stand-alone towers/sites.

RWC also has 3 sites defined - 1 site looks to be a multi tower simulcast and the other two "appear" to be stand-alone towers/sites.

At this point, I'm not sure which system you are monitoring when the radio is going silent. However, given the nature of the sites programmed for each of the two systems, a couple of questions:

• which system are you having this issue on (or is it doing it on both)?
  
• when you stop receiving, are you seeing/hearing and indications of "Out Of Range"?
  
• when you are receiving, which RFSS/Site is being displayed on the radio when no voice call is being received?
  
• most important question: when things go quiet, is the radio still displaying that same site or a different one?

I have encountered at least two systems - one in NC and one in FL - where a multi-site system has at least one site that carries little to no voice traffic. In a more general sense, some "stand-alone" towers tend to provide specific purpose/coverage (specific agency and/or gap filling) and if your radio locks onto and stays on that tower, the radio appears to no longer be receiving anything (note that when you do something like switching systems and/or power cycling may cause the radio to start searching for a site again and having it revert back to the simulcast/busy site).

Without any further details, I would not be surprised if the radio is potentially over time switching from the simulcast site on one or the other system to a stand-alone tower that may not be carrying as much/the same traffic and/or the talkgroups that you have programmed. I am only speculating at this point and don't want to say that it could not be some other issue related to the radio or firmware itself - just looking at possibilities. Depending upon the questions (and answers) above, we can try some things to verify and/or solve what you are experiencing (maybe).

Let's keep digging.

You are right on track Troymail. I don't have a Unication but am familiar with this system. You only want to use the site 1 simulcast control channels, 852.750, 852.825, 853.275 & 853.350. This site carries all traffic, Gilbert, Mesa & AJ. If you have any of the other 3 site's control channels programmed and the radio switches you will hear very little or even silent. It's probably switching to site 4, Thompson Peak which has a very strong signal. Turning the pager off and on is apparently causing it to reset to the site 1 simulcast system.

Hope that helps.

 

[etihparg]

After paying closer attention this is what I have determined. When the display reads "RFSS/Site:3/4 the issue occurs. The frequency is not always the same. Photos attached. So I will remove site 4 as suggested by Scannerhead and see if it solves the issue. Thanks everyone for the help

 

[etihparg]

And the other photo

 

[APX8000]

Yes, remove that site. What a lot of people don’t understand is that the Unication will switch to the site with the best signal. However, some traffic is carried on different sites. Since the Unication is a pager that does not affiliate to the system like a scanner, you will only hear a talkgroup come over some sites of an actual subscriber radio affiliates. So sometimes you have to program different sites as separate “systems” instead of one system with numerous sites if that helps make sense.


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[etihparg]

Problem Solved. You guys are great

 

[scannerhead]

Glad that helped. (Incidentally, 853.6375 is a control channel freq for Thompson Peak and you would hear very little clear traffic from that site. Especially Gilbert PD.)