Somerset/Middlesex/Piscataway Trunk Systems

[ion_op]

Hi,

I just bought a Pro-106 and the V-Folders come pre-programmed and one had NJ Trunking systems. I've been listening to Somerset and Union County. I've heard nothing yet on Somerset and just a little on Union County. Scanning Middlesex County shows now signal. I'm in Green Brook so I think I would hear one of the sites unless it came pre-programmed incorrectly. Is it me or are these systems under-utilized?

I'd like to program Piscataway's system but in RR the frequencies given don't specify which are the control channels. How should I proceed?

I know North Plainfield went digital and trunking but I have not heard them.

I have Cranford Police P25 programmed and the audio quality is as good or better than a cellphone on speaker.

Got the scanner and USB interface at -30% but missed the sale. I've been doing manual programming and using the FAV scanlist for now but this is becomming tedious. Which software do you recommend programming/oranizing the Pro-106?

Is the PSR-500 manual directly compatable with the Pro-106 or are there subtle differences?

With the rubber duck sensitivity seems good compared to a Pro-2004/2003 and 235XLT.

Tnx,

Mike

 

[robertpearsall]

The only thicg you can listen to on the Middlesex county trunked system is the road dept and area wide transportation all else is un moniterable at this time north plainfield is on somerset countys trunked system make sure you add the ids for them i do hear them in edison.As for piscataway you can just put all channels it it will work fine i hear them also from edison also keep in mind there has been talk about green brook joining somerset countys trunked system.As for software try free scan i have used it and it works well if you pay for radio reference you can import the systems and it makes things go smooth.I hope this helps and happy listening any questions just ask

 

[ion_op]

Hi,

I see that most of Middlesex is Provoice and digital. Will scanners ever be able to decode Provoice?

I'll try all Piscataway's freqs.

Tnx,

Mike

 

[robertpearsall]

I sure hope so if scanner makers ever get the rights to provice it will open open alot more listening

 

[robbinsj2]

Piscataway's control channel frequencies are 500.5375, 500.7125, 500.9875, and 501.3375.

Middlesex County rebanded a few months ago, I'm not sure whether your scanner came pre-loaded with the correct/current frequencies. Compare its memory against the database here, the six channels should be 851-853 and not 866-868. robertpearsall is correct in describing Middlesex County's system, except I believe the "County-wide" talkgroup is still analog and that can sometimes be decent listening.

Somerset would be busy, if you've listened to the whole system for 20 minutes and heard nothing then I would suspect a problem on your end. Try checking the settings against the database entry for the system, and make sure all talkgroups are enabled/unlocked at least until you ensure it is scanning properly.

Jim

 

[ion_op]

Hi,

I know the scanner is working properly because I can hear Union, Edision, NJSP North/Central/South trunk systems as well as a few others that were pre-programmed.

I looked at the TSYS object for Somerset and it had the site two control frequencies. I created a new wildcard TGRP object and then created a new TSYS object with the site 1 control frequencies. I then put the new TSYS object into my FAV scanlist and started scanning still nothing. Hitting manual on the new TSYS object results in nothing either. I did the analyze feature and the control channel is 99%. From what I read you only need to enter the control channels for a Motorola Type II system? The signal from site 2 is good too. What am I doing wrong? The T icon is solid and signal strength is good.

Tnx,

Mike

 

[Highpockets]

Hi,

I know the scanner is working properly because I can hear Union, Edision, NJSP North/Central/South trunk systems as well as a few others that were pre-programmed.

I looked at the TSYS object for Somerset and it had the site two control frequencies. I created a new wildcard TGRP object and then created a new TSYS object with the site 1 control frequencies. I then put the new TSYS object into my FAV scanlist and started scanning still nothing. Hitting manual on the new TSYS object results in nothing either. I did the analyze feature and the control channel is 99%. From what I read you only need to enter the control channels for a Motorola Type II system? The signal from site 2 is good too. What am I doing wrong? The T icon is solid and signal strength is good.

Tnx,

Mike

You did enter the Custom Frequency Tables right?

 

[ion_op]

No. I'll figure that out and try when I'm home. I don't recall seeing that as an option in the TSYS object. What does it do?

 

[Highpockets]

No. I'll figure that out and try when I'm home. I don't recall seeing that as an option in the TSYS object. What does it do?

It's information the scanner needs to track the Somerset UHF trunked system properly.

 

[robbinsj2]

It's information the scanner needs to track the Somerset UHF trunked system properly.

To expand on this a bit, it's information every scanner needs to track any UHF Motorola trunked system. The scanner uses that data to figure out what frequencies to tune to for actual trunked transmissions, and it doesn't matter if you already programmed in all the system frequencies.

You'll need to put in all three tables for Somerset Zone 1, both for Somerset Zone 2 (AKA Franklin Township), and the one for Piscataway for any of those systems to be scanned properly. I don't know how the Pro-106 works, if they aren't already then you may need to split the two Somerset zones into two different systems for them to scan properly since the custom tables are different and conflict with each other.

Jim

 

[ion_op]

I just read the PSR500 manual and it says you cant scan a trunk system. U have to create a TGRP object and scan it. This might be one of my errors.

 

[ion_op]

Hi,

How do you calculate the numbers for the custom frequency table?

So far I figured out by example:

Table 1: low: 380 high: 429 offset: 380 Base: 500.3375 step: 25
Table 2: low: 430 high: 449 offset: 430 Base: 501.9125 step: 25
Table 3: low: 450 high: ??? offset: 450 Base: 502.5125 step: 25

Where can I find more info on entering/calculating these number?

Tnx,

Mike

 

[Highpockets]

Hi,

How do you calculate the numbers for the custom frequency table?

So far I figured out by example:

Table 1: low: 380 high: 429 offset: 380 Base: 500.3375 step: 25
Table 2: low: 430 high: 449 offset: 430 Base: 501.9125 step: 25
Table 3: low: 450 high: ??? offset: 450 Base: 502.5125 step: 25

Where can I find more info on entering/calculating these number?

Tnx,

Mike

??? = 759 Read this thread, Messages # 2 & 3

http://www.radioreference.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98431&highlight=Motorola

 

[ion_op]

Answering my own question it's 759 after reading this:

http://www.strongsignals.net/access/forums/viewtopic.php?t=763&sid=db8a14b126dd404cb13ab502436d71df

I'm hearing stuff now.

Should I program in the second site for Somerset County?

Tnx,

Mike

 

[ion_op]

Tnx Steve.

 

[Highpockets]

Answering my own question it's 759 after reading this:

http://www.strongsignals.net/access/forums/viewtopic.php?t=763&sid=db8a14b126dd404cb13ab502436d71df

I'm hearing stuff now.

Should I program in the second site for Somerset County?

Tnx,

Mike

I can't hear that site from where I live, I would say if you don't hear the Franklin talkgroups on site one, Program site 2 as a serperate system, and if you do, it has it's own Custom Frequency Table, sorry I don't have the answer to that one.

 

[W2SJW]

Answering my own question it's 759 after reading this:

http://www.strongsignals.net/access/forums/viewtopic.php?t=763&sid=db8a14b126dd404cb13ab502436d71df

I'm hearing stuff now.

Should I program in the second site for Somerset County?

Tnx,

Mike

Site #2 is the Franklin Twp. 470 trunk system. You will only be able to hear township fire, EMS, & local govt. traffic on that site (PD is encrypted 100% of the time). Only in rare occurrences will you hear any county traffic there...

 

[ion_op]

I moved all the Somerset County TGRP objects to the new Somerset TSYS object I created and all works fine. I have Piscataway programmed with a wildcard TGRP object. Did I read somewhere that the scanner can decode the Alpha-numeric tag assigned to the TGRP? If so mine isin't doing that and I can't find anything in the scanner that shows how. I just see the TGRP number when active.

Piscataway's system is small so not that many to manually program.

RR shows N. Plainfield Police as D but they sound analog.

Mike

 

[robbinsj2]

Trunked systems do not transmit the talkgroup alpha tag so you'll always have to program that in if you want one.

North Plainfield PD dispatch is analog and they have a couple digital ops talkgroups. As I recall they intended for dispatch to be digital and one ops channel analog but they had some issues with the performance of digital so they swapped them. Unless you're saying that one or both ops channels sounds analog...

We're glad to hear you got it scanning properly.

Jim

 

[Scorpio73]

Green Brook Fire~EMS

Hey guys, Im new on this site, but I know that ion_op mentioned he was in Green Brook, I normally listen to Green Brook a lot and I believe the Fire~EMS Department may have switched to the County frequency. I was listening today at 19:00 hours, and the PM test came on. There was a new tone, and the dispatcher stated County to Station 33 Fire/Rescue (That's Green Brook). So I believe that they finally switched over. If anyone had the new frequency they are using that would be helpful.

-thanks