System vs Group in a 996XT

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Sorry if this has been discussed before. I tried to search but the search feature is not working.

What is the difference between a system and group? What about a site? I want to start with Connecticut. I would like the state police, and then organize by county.So, is the Sate police a "system" while Windham county would be a group? The entire Railroad frequency list, a group?. I also have read the easier to read guide but am still confused. Thanks.
 

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Sorry if this has been discussed before. I tried to search but the search feature is not working.

What is the difference between a system and group? What about a site? I want to start with Connecticut. I would like the state police, and then organize by county.So, is the Sate police a "system" while Windham county would be a group? The entire Railroad frequency list, a group?. I also have read the easier to read guide but am still confused. Thanks.

Check here:

Systems, Sites and Groups - The RadioReference Wiki

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It's right on that page:

With respect to conventional frequencies, there are SYSTEMS which contain one or more GROUPS. A GROUP contains one or more channels. For each channel you enter the frequency, alpha tag, and various other parameters that relate to that channel. There are no sites for conventional channels.

With respect to trunked systems, there are SYSTEMS which contain one or more SITES and one or more GROUPS. In each SITE, you enter the frequencies for that SITE. For each GROUP you enter one or more TALKGROUP IDS. For each TALKGROUP ID you enter an alpha tag and various other parameters that relate to that talkgroup.


You can set Systems and Groups up however you want as long as you understand the basic layout of how they are organized. There is no right or wrong, customize them however you want.
 

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You can design systems and groups any way you want to. There's no steadfast rule as to how they should be set up. However, your example in your original post is the best way to set them up, making the State Police a system and Wyndham County a group. A group is a subsystem within the main system. The group would be where you would enter the talk groups you want to monitor. You can have one group for all of the TGs, or you can create different groups for different TGs, however you want to set it up.

As for sites, after you program the system as a Motorola Type 2/P25, you program the site as a 800 MHz Standard and the site is where you enter the frequencies for the site you want to monitor, in your case, Site 007 Wyndham County. If you want to moniotor any other sites, you must program them as individual sites.

Sites only apply to trunk systems. There are no sites for conventional systems, just systems and groups.
 

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Envision a filing cabinet. Your scanner would be that filing cabinet (which holds lot of stuff). Each drawer would be comparable to a system. In each drawer you have file folders, which would be groups. In each file folder you have individual things and in scanners these things are frequencies or talkgroups depending upon the type of system you are interested in listening to.

How much of what kind of stuff you put in each file folder (or group) is your choice (the maximum limit escapes me now).

How many file folders (groups) you have in each drawer (system) is your choice, up to a maximum of 20.

That's a long way of saying a system is a big container of "radio stuff" and groups are smaller containers within that big container.

Sites are a little more difficult to explain and the "depends" word applies. If what you want to listen to is a conventional radio deal (as in not a trunked thing), then sites don't matter.

(I'm trying to avoid the word "system" here, so as to avoid confusion. "System" in the context of that what you are wanting to listen to is different than "system" when it comes to programming a scanner. Same word but means two separate things, in other words).

Having mentioned the explanation for my choice of words, now on to when sites may be applicable: If what you want to listen to is a "trunked radio system". Radio systems for small geographic areas usually have a single site. For larger areas, such as the state of Connecticut, there are multiple sites all working together to provide a communications network for the users of the system. As the users travel from one area to another, their radio communications are handed off from one site to another, just like cellular telephone roaming.

For the scanner listener, the only sites that need to be programmed in a scanner are those sites the scanner is likely to be within 30 miles of.

Your best bet is to get programming software for your computer to program your scanner (Freescan or ArcXT which I use). If you are a database subscriber, the software will grab all the stuff needed to program your scanner. It makes life a lot easier because it sets up the system and sites (when needed and how needed) as well as groups within the system. A lot of guesswork is taken out that way.
 

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Thanks guys.
I downloaded a trail version of the Butel software and with your help and actually seeing how it works I think I am starting to get it.
 

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Cool! I really like the Butel ArcXT. I've done a ton of programming with it and it's saved me a lot of effort as compared to what I had to go through years ago before the advent of this stuff. About all I need to do is tweak names to suit my taste.
 

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Actually I did. I did not really like. Seemed less organized and a little harder to use. I could not figure out how to import form the data base, even though it said it could. I would rather pay for something thats easier to use like Arc


Importing from the RR database using Freescan is very easy to do.

From the top tool bar, simply click: File.... Import.... RadioReference Conventional (or Trunked).

You do realize that in addition to the software that you use (free or paid), you must be a Premium (paid) subscriber to RR to import the database using any of the software programs?

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Importing from the RR database using Freescan is very easy to do.

From the top tool bar, simply click: File.... Import.... RadioReference Conventional (or Trunked).

You do realize that in addition to the software that you use (free or paid), you must be a Premium (paid) subscriber to RR to import the database using any of the software programs?

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Yes I do and I currently am.
 

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Can anyone explain to me what the difference is between (In using Freescan on a 996xt) Mot Type II/P25 and P25 Standard (Digital XT), on the Trunked System Setup page, after importing data from RR? I've tried both and don't see any difference in performance, so I've left it in it's default state, Mot Type II/P25.
If you could provide direction I would be greatly appreciative! Thank you.
 

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IIRC, Mot Type II/P25 is used for Moto 3600 bps control channel systems that may have mixed mode (analog/digital). P25 Standard would be used for true P25 systems that use a 9600 bps control channel.
 

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When I've traveled up your way listening to the Minnesota ARMER system, I've programmed that as a P25 Standard system with excellent results, especially Bloomington Fire. (Not for nothing, but I got a cousin who retired from that organization and he was my inspiration to get in the fire service som 40 years ago).
 
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EZ-Grab!

You do realize that in addition to the software that you use (free or paid), you must be a Premium (paid) subscriber to RR to import the database using any of the software programs?
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This isn't entirely true.

If you learn how to use EZ-Grab! in Freescan, it automagically pastes/populates the information you have copied to your clipboard into Freescan.

I think that few people take advantage of this feature.

Freescan EZGrab - The RadioReference Wiki

The steps are
1) Highlight the RR information - COPY
2) Click EZ-Grab! Button in Freescan
3) Copy from Clipboard
4) Label the fields
5) Wake the neighbors and phone the kids - you just saved $15!

* It is recommended to use Firefox as it gives more consistent results over Internet Explorer. (I do)

Hope that helps.

~Doc
 
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