Target stores in Appleton

[kc9fsh]

I was at a local Target store recently and noticed that they use radio's to coordinate their team members along with transmit when a call button is pushed. Out of curiousity I tried to look up the frequencies that were used for this but came up with nothing. I did find the license for the store in Ashwaubenon (store 1247) and tried listening to those frequencies thinking they might be the same. One of them is. Since I only live about a half mile from the store in appleton on calumet street (store 1248) I tried to tune into atleast one of their other frequenices. I found it but I cannot recall it at the moment.

Does anybody have any ideas why store 1248 isn't listed but store 1247 is? Is the appleton store just running without a license possibly?

I also tried looking up the mall store in appleton/grand chute (store 238) and found nothing.

I looked in the RR database along with the FCC database.

I'm more curious than anything but any help or ideas on this would be appreciated.

Tim
KC9FSH

 

[bna92]

The Target stores I've seen use itinerant frequencies. Try these:

http://www.radioreference.com/wiki/index.php/Common_Itinerant_and_Business

If their radios have a display, a quick peek should give you an idea of the frequency.

 

[RevGary]

One possibility for you would be to research the Corporate Headquarters in Minnesota for itinerant blanket licensing for ALL their stores. Many Corporations do that under master licensing. However, IF that is not present and there is no FCC listing for a particular store, then the manager may have decided to save the $100.00 plus for licensing and run an illegal system. If they are using ONLY FRS frequencies, they are not in violation. If they are using GMRS or any of the IG (business) frequencies, then they may be in violation. Perhaps a phone call to the FCC field office who has jurisdiction in your area might ease your mind:

CHICAGO ENFORCEMENT OFFICE,
FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION
PARK RIDGE OFFICE CTR., RM. 306
1550 NORTHWEST HWY.
PARK RIDGE, IL 60068
312-353-0195

 

[Sac916]

One possibility for you would be to research the Corporate Headquarters in Minnesota for itinerant blanket licensing for ALL their stores. Many Corporations do that under master licensing. However, IF that is not present and there is no FCC listing for a particular store, then the manager may have decided to save the $100.00 plus for licensing and run an illegal system. If they are using ONLY FRS frequencies, they are not in violation. If they are using GMRS or any of the IG (business) frequencies, then they may be in violation. Perhaps a phone call to the FCC field office who has jurisdiction in your area might ease your mind:

CHICAGO ENFORCEMENT OFFICE,
FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION
PARK RIDGE OFFICE CTR., RM. 306
1550 NORTHWEST HWY.
PARK RIDGE, IL 60068
312-353-0195

Try MURS freqs

 

[RevGary]

It is my understanding from research this morning, that the managers only use the radio equipment in stock in their Sporting Goods Department or available to them through the central Target Distribution and Warehousing system. That is FRS and GMRS equipment only and does not include IG class equipment in the color dot series. MURS equipment is not listed in the main buyers catalog as being available and that is why I didn't mention it earlier. This is not to say that individual managers may have gone out and purchased MURS equipment on their own, but that possibility, under the circumstances, is remote because of the availability of their listed equipment at wholesale or less, from Target direct.

http://www.target.com/gp/search.htm...words=two+way+radio&url=index=target&x=22&y=6

 

[Sac916]

In California, specifically the Sacramento valley, several of the target stores use the Red Dot / Purple Dot freqs.

It just may be a regional decision.

 

[a1emt]

These frequencies were posted on the Scan-Wis yahoo group a while back and I found them to be accurate. Supposedly a regional or national plan.

F1 - 461.0375 Store Operations (D026)
F2 - 466.2875 Backroom Checks (D032)
F3 - 466.9875 Security 1 (D047)
F4 - 462.9125 Security 2 (D065)


Jim M.
WQBQ890
KB9SIF

 

[RevGary]

The Main Office in Minnesota has licensing for some Wisconsin stores, but the NUMBER of licensed "mobiles" doesn't seem to be enough to cover all units in operation in those stores...


http://dettifoss.fcc.gov/acweb/dettifoss/genmen_a/db_19/s_licn_st_sv.roi;8446?ViewDefault

 

[KMA367]

Target Store 1247 has two active licenses, both of which may be used by 2-w "mobiles" within a 5 km radius of 44-29-25.0 N, 088-04-16.0 W. Would store 1248 fall within that distance? And the WI statewide Target license allows for 360 mobiles, presumably able to be used by the remaining Target operations which don't have licenses specific to their own location.

 

[kc9fsh]

Target Store 1247 has two active licenses, both of which may be used by 2-w "mobiles" within a 5 km radius of 44-29-25.0 N, 088-04-16.0 W. Would store 1248 fall within that distance? And the WI statewide Target license allows for 360 mobiles, presumably able to be used by the remaining Target operations which don't have licenses specific to their own location.

1247 is in the Green Bay area and 1248 is in Appleton. So there is about 30 miles between the stores.

The radio's they use are Kenwood Protalk XLS. I currently am employed at a target store so I could probably talk to their HR person and see what is going on. I'm assuming someone at district screwed up or something.

Thanks for all the responses!
I can now confirm that channel 1 is 461.0375. and channel 2 is on 466.2875.
I know t-238 (Fox River Mall) uses some VHF freq. so maybe they are using MURS. I don't make it over to that area too often so I probably wouldn't be able to scan for theirs. Just kind of odd that 1248 isn't listed anywhere.

 

[Schnoor1648]

There is also a second UHF plan that uses completely different frequencies and digital PL codes, but it doesn't seem to be a common yet other than the newly built or remodeled stores in the past year. I am not certain if it is as standardized as the four channel plan, however. One store that I am familiar with had four VHF channels just a few years back. Two of them were analog PL and the other two had digital PL. Some time later they upgraded to the four channel UHF plan. The store was then closed much of 2005, but when they re-opened with a completely new building on the same piece of ground they had switched again to the new six channel UHF plan. What I find interesting is that none of the channels on the new six channel plan match the old four channel plan at all. Neither the RF frequencies or the DPL codes.

 

[RevGary]

Unlicensed Operations? Perhaps the enforcement Division on Northwest Highway in Park Ridge, Illinois, reads this Forum......